Thread: Info for Squaters

this is just nonsense and should be deleted as fast as you posted it man, on the real. its only bad for your lower back if you ignore your lower back training. Its just like an other muscle, if you neglect it you will pay. this is a ridiculous article, who wrote it and what are his credientials? how long has he squatted? where did he get his PhD? how much does he squat?

Tough Old Man should be Funny Old Man

The Squat is not an easy exercise, this is one exercise I see most people avoid.
I can't blame a person for avoiding squats especial after hurting themself doing them.

gr81 i don't think i train my lower back... what are some good exercises for lower back?

good mornings, stiff legged dead lifts, rack dead lifts, deadlifts and so on. core training is vital and often neglected with most people. That includes strength training the abs as well.. btw great sig, I could watch that over and over again dammit! lol

I also like weighted reverse hypers(i think they are reverse) for my lower back. This seems to hit my lower back heavily.

do you have access to an actually reverse hyper machine pm?

lol thx gr81, i still watch my sig over and over lol

my strength and conditioning teacher is pretty big... he benches like 350. I was doing stiff leg deadlifts in class and he told me that i shouldn't do that, i should do regular deadlifts because i will hurt my back if i do it... is that true?

No. Be sure to use proper form.

I was wrong gr81 it is just a regular hyper extension rack that I use. My bad. Althought after reviewing the two properly I am going to talk to my gym's owner and see about getting a reverse in there.

what's proper form, can u give me a website which shows how to do it

i should do regular deadlifts because i will hurt my back if i do it... is that true?

rule number one, and its a hrad one to get past.. never assume b/c a person is big or strong that they know what they are talking about!
now you may have been doing them wrong and he might have been saying that, but to say you shouldn't train your lower back, as if its some fragiel muscle that should never be directly worked is ridiculous. How else will you strengthen it? The reason people injure themselves with the power movements so much is b/c they neglect the key components of the lifts like the core and hams and whatnot, make sense? Like my man P said, the number one key is to perform them correctly, but as long as you are doing that you should be fine. Check out the Quote by Dave Tate in my sig, thats what I am referring to. understand?

I was wrong gr81 it is just a regular hyper extension rack that I use. My bad. Althought after reviewing the two properly I am going to talk to my gym's owner and see about getting a reverse in there.

yeah I have never seen one obviously at any fitness center. I am thinking about purchasing one and just keeping it at a gym if I could. I find myself having to improvise with a roman chair, which isn't nearly as good but gets the job done I suppose.

what's proper form, can u give me a website which shows how to do it

read these article, there are not pics but maybe they will help you understand a bit better what I mean. if its not clear then holla back at me
http://www.elitefts.com/documents/tr...fortheback.htm
http://www.deepsquatter.com/strength/archives/ls03.htm

its in my sig under excercise demos, but read those articles, they will help. that other site isn't always accurate

hello 81. Good to hear from my buddy. anyhow if you would have look at the whole thread i posted the address where i found this. These are called bulgarian Squats.

Squatting Like a Powerlifter, Squatting Big

Search for that thread and memorize it. If squatting was bad, when done right, guys wouldn't be squatting 1100+ pounds and smiling about it later.

a big problem is probably with those smart people who arch their back. like those morons who are tinier than me squatting 315 going about 40% of the way down, back arched over.

^correct, at least from my limited experience

I dont squat despite the fact that I was instructed to do so by some knowledgable board homeys...

But I did start doing regular dead lifts two days ago and I still walk like the penguin in pump's sig.. I can barely bend my legs!

i dont squat because it feels like im getting a pencil jabbed into my very lower abdomen, even with low weight. id prefer to not have a hernia at this age.

Originally Posted by pumpthatiron

my strength and conditioning teacher is pretty big... he benches like 350. I was doing stiff leg deadlifts in class and he told me that i shouldn't do that, i should do regular deadlifts because i will hurt my back if i do it... is that true?

Pure crap. Ask him why. If he tells you it requires too much lower back, then tell him that's the point. It works the lower back, gluts, and hamstrings all very well.

As long as you keep a tight stance, you should be fine. Check out this page:
http://www.bsu.edu/webapps/strengthl...s.asp?exid=169

This thread reminds me of the people arguing with me that locking out on exercises will harm you.



Lifting weights in general is a stress to the body. If you train heavily with weights you will suffer the consequences in your joints as you age. That is an immutable fact. We do what we do with this is mind.

is it true what u just said? i didn't know there was anything wrong with lifting weights... hmm that makes me rethink if it's worthed

Originally Posted by chris mason

This thread reminds me of the people arguing with me that locking out on exercises will harm you.



Lifting weights in general is a stress to the body. If you train heavily with weights you will suffer the consequences in your joints as you age. That is an immutable fact. We do what we do with this is mind.

I agree with this. I think the word heavily is most key here. Most of us lift weights that put too much stress and tension on our joints and muscles when we don't need to do so in a quest to "get huge" or "get strong". Most of the time we are putting our body into a state of dysfunction by lifting incorrectly in an effort to gain too quickly. Then we get injured, don't rehab properly and put our bodies further into dysfunction and continue the path. You have to learn to walk before you can run (or HOP, of course).

Originally Posted by chris mason

This thread reminds me of the people arguing with me that locking out on exercises will harm you.

I apologize, should we all be singular-minded on a fitness forum? If I recall, the argument against locking out was that if you were worried about certain joints, it might be a better idea to rack the weight (specifically on squats) instead of locking your legs and breathing.

People are entitled to discuss things without your patronizing them.

Originally Posted by chris mason

This thread reminds me of the people arguing with me that locking out on exercises will harm you.



Lifting weights in general is a stress to the body. If you train heavily with weights you will suffer the consequences in your joints as you age. That is an immutable fact. We do what we do with this is mind.

Just because weight lifting is a general stress to the body doesn't mean that we shouldn't try to do things to minimize this stress.