HERE'S a QUESTION & A STATEMEN

**Tough Old Man** · 09-30-2004, 05:11 PM

HERE'S MY ?.
Do all you experience bodybuilders feel that you advise apllies to all ages?. When i first found these forums I had been working real hard and i do agree I did a lot of sets in my daily routines. Most the time I heard to much volume. Here I am at the good old age of 52 doing 35-38 sets a day and made a lot of progress. Then 4 weeks ago I start taking gear at a pretty good dose. Since then I've tamed my routine down to about half. Now i will agree my strength is going thru the roof, but size wise not much has happened.

STATEMENT:
I felt really good doing all those sets and felt strong everyday. So as of Mon Oct. 4th this old man is kicking on the afterburners and may fire and smoke be behind me. The following is going to be my life till my cycle runs its coarse thru the next eight weeks.

MON (LEG)
GOOD MORNINGS...3s x 6r
SQUATS....-5s
STEP UPS...DB...3s x 6r
LEG EXT.....3s
LYING LEG CURL.....3s
BOX SQUATS BB....3s x 6r
CALVES.....4s

TUES (CHEST) + (BACK)
BENCH PRESS..... 5s
FLAT FLYES.....3s
INCL B.B.....3s
DEADLIFT.....3-5s
T-BAR.....3s... every other week
LATS.....3s...CLOSE GRIP
LATS.....3s...WIDE GRIP
SEATED ROWS....3S
BENT OVER ROWS....3s

WED (LEG)
GOOD MORNINGS...3s x 6r
SQUATS....-5s
STEP UPS...DB...3s x 6r
LEG EXT.....3s
LYING LEG CURL.....3s
BOX SQUATS BB....3s x 6r
CALVES.....4s

THURS (ARMS)
CG BENCH.....3s
SKULLS.....3s
EZ BAR CURL.....3s
HAMMERS.....3s ..OR ...CONCENTRATIONS
PUSHDOWN / PREACHER...3s.....S/S

FRI (SHOULDERS)
MILITARY..DB...3s
UPRIGHT ROWS..DB...3s
SHRUG.....3s
DB SHRUGS....3S
LATERALS......3S

SAT OFF

SAT (ARMS)
CG BENCH.....3s
SKULLS.....3s
EZ BAR CURL.....3s
HAMMERS.....3s ..OR ...CONCENTRATIONS
PUSHDOWN / PREACHER...3s.....S/S

I know what your thinking, overkill, to much volume, bad program, I wouldn't do it. Well I'm going for it and when I'm done I'll look great and feel great.

THAT'S A TOUGH PROGRAM AND THAT'S WHAT I'M ABOUT..........TOUGH!

**DimebagDarrell** · 09-30-2004, 05:28 PM

it may be overkill, but youre only excercising each part once a week, except for legs, so youre probably safe. just make sure youre not sore for 5 days afterwards, soreness does not necessarily mean youre getting somewhere.

also, good mornings (if done right) are a lower-back excersize. id get rid of them and do stiff-legged deadlifts instead. assuming you have the good mornings in there for the hammies

**tjwes** · 09-30-2004, 06:32 PM

I`m 49 and still gaining.

Eat more food and you`ll get bigger............simple!!

**ponyboy** · 09-30-2004, 07:25 PM

I'll just make this statement because it's an open forum and you asked for opinions.

IMO you are pushing too hard too fast. I won't even get the gear into the situation but by being on gear it allows your muscles to grow ahead of your ligaments and tendons, which will blow your knees and shoulders quite quickly if you're not smart about it. If I'm not mistaken you have already had a serious lower back injury and continue to ignore it and do heavy lifting.

I think you're setting yourself up for a serious injury that will leave you incapacitated for quite some time. Your original statement about your strength going up is on the money - why trade size for functional strength? Vanity? Because you want to be bigger? Think about how your body is going to be not tomorrow, but five to ten years from now. IMO (and before anyone jumps all over me this is MY OPINION) you should be training for functional strength, not power, not size and you're doing it in a really hazardous way. Think about the end of the road, not the exit you're at right now.

Just my .02.

**Tough Old Man** · 09-30-2004, 09:45 PM

Thanks for the imput pony. as for my lower back it was actually a tear in the upper right side of my butt. So days i'll work squats and deads will be very, very light weight w/ 10-12 rep for 5 sets. I got thru the squats today with very minor pain in the ass. example of squats was 12x100, 12x100, 10x105, 8x110, 8x 110. I'm only going to do squats and deads every other week until the ass heals up completely. I did do step ups with 60 lb db's in ea hand no problems. also 60 lb db's of box squats no problem.

**gr81** · 09-30-2004, 09:55 PM

Most the time I heard to much volume. Here I am at the good old age of 52 doing 35-38 sets a day and made a lot of progress. Then 4 weeks ago I start taking gear at a pretty good dose. Since then I've tamed my routine down to about half. Now i will agree my strength is going thru the roof, but size wise not much has happened.

well you did it backwards. usually you increase volume when cycling, not tone it down. Your recovery time will be much quicker as you should know..

**Tough Old Man** · 10-01-2004, 10:27 AM

Thanks 81 for the positive remark. About time. LOL

**tjwes** · 10-01-2004, 01:34 PM

I wouldn`t advise doing good mornings before squats as this will seriously limit your squatting poundage.
Also,in my humble opinion,you are doing too much too often.

Probably not what you wanted to hear but just the same you only gain outside the gym and a lot of your exercises can be done away with as they are not too result producing if training for size.

I also disagree with upping vlume while "ON",diet and rest mean a hell of a lot more in the lng run as anyone can train all day and night 24/7 if they want to but if they don`t recover it is all for naught.

Train the whole body over 4 days and work hard,heavy,and intensely,then go home and eat/rest!!

Mon.-Quads,Hams,Calves
Tues.-Chest ,Biceps
Wed.-REST
Thurs.-Back,Traps
Fri.-Delts,Triceps
Sat.-REST
Sun.-REST

Do roughly 12 sets for bigger bodyparts and 6-8 for smaller ones.
Eat 6-8 meals a day of clean foods with 3 days of cardio and you have a much better plan in my opinion.
Just my thoughts,good luck!

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