Flexibility- an unconscious response

**Mudge** · 10-05-2004, 05:49 PM

Does anyone remember the term for the muscular response which 'creates' lack of flexibility? When you are unconscious you are flexible like a gymnast yada yada.

**Mudge** · 10-06-2004, 02:12 PM

Anyone remember this involuntary response name?

**CowPimp** · 10-06-2004, 02:29 PM

The myotatic stretch reflex?

**Mudge** · 10-06-2004, 03:02 PM

Sounds pretty good, but is it a constant and not just under fast changes?

What I'm looking for, is the difference in flexibility when someone is conscious, and unconscious, where the unconscious person will be flexible like a gymnast. That could be it though.

**CowPimp** · 10-06-2004, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by Mudge

Sounds pretty good, but is it a constant and not just under fast changes?

What I'm looking for, is the difference in flexibility when someone is conscious, and unconscious, where the unconscious person will be flexible like a gymnast. That could be it though.

Oh, sorry. I was referring to the reflex where your body causes muscular contraction in response to a quick change of muscular tension.

**Yanick** · 10-06-2004, 04:19 PM

i spent half an hour yesterday trying to google certain keywords but never came up with anything. I've never really heard of that, but now that i think of it i guess when your sleeping the muscle spindles (i think thats the one that reacts to muscle length changes) are inhibited or something along those lines. That just gave me another idea on stuff to search, i'll get back to you.

**P-funk** · 10-06-2004, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by Yanick

i spent half an hour yesterday trying to google certain keywords but never came up with anything. I've never really heard of that, but now that i think of it i guess when your sleeping the muscle spindles (i think thats the one that reacts to muscle length changes) are inhibited or something along those lines. That just gave me another idea on stuff to search, i'll get back to you.

I have no idea either....

**Mudge** · 10-06-2004, 07:40 PM

I tried searching as well and I know it was posted on here at least twice, maybe in the same thread. I wish I could remember who, maybe DP.

**P-funk** · 10-06-2004, 07:51 PM

something to do with the muscle spindles? the golgi tendon perhaps?

Damn it Mudge, give us something to go on lad!!

**CowPimp** · 10-06-2004, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by P-funk

something to do with the muscle spindles? the golgi tendon perhaps?

Damn it Mudge, give us something to go on lad!!

See, that's what I was thinking. The myotatic, which is the one related to muscle spindles, or inverse stretch reflex, which is the one related to the golgi tendon, but apparently that's not it.

**Mudge** · 10-07-2004, 12:19 AM

Heck if I know

I will try searching the board tomorow.

**Dale Mabry** · 10-07-2004, 08:44 AM

I think it is some type of specific neural inhibition.

**P-funk** · 10-07-2004, 08:51 AM

autogenic inhibition

**Dale Mabry** · 10-07-2004, 09:15 AM

bam, i believe that is it.

**CowPimp** · 10-07-2004, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by P-funk

autogenic inhibition

Doesn't this increase flexibility by relaxing the muscle? That's the gist of what I got from a quick search on Google. Mudge is looking for something that decreases flexibility.

**Mudge** · 10-07-2004, 10:43 AM

Inhibition is an increase in flexibility? That wouldn't sound right to me

**CowPimp** · 10-07-2004, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by P-funk

A streched muscle is strongest at a 110% range of flexibility. This means that if the muscle doesn't reach that 110% it is not being streched efficiently enough to cause the muscle spindle to transmit information to the spinal cord to sitmulate the golgi tendon organ and cause autogenic inhibition which will relax the muscle and let it strech a bit more.

From a previous post...

**Mudge** · 10-07-2004, 10:56 AM

Well that sounds like it could be it then, I read that thread as well. I've also noticed as I get into a split, the longer I go at it during that session the deeper my body seems to allow me to go.

**Yanick** · 10-07-2004, 11:18 AM

I thought autogenic inhibition was just when the muscle relaxes due to high tension (to prevent injury was my understanding).

**P-funk** · 10-07-2004, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Yanick

I thought autogenic inhibition was just when the muscle relaxes due to high tension (to prevent injury was my understanding).

the muscle is taken to a stretched position and then is allowed to relax and go even further. Think about when I used to teach you about assisted stretching and I show you how to stretch clients. If you remeber, I would have you bring your leg up, as stratight as you could, as high as possible on your own. That is where you flexability stopped. Then I would apply pressure to bring that back a bit further. We would take it to were you stopped, now if I was an aggresive strecher (which I am

) and doing aggressive physical therapy I would have you relax and then push even further....take the muscle to a greater range. Also, if you recall, I would do PNF (proprioseptive neuromuscular facilitation) and have you resist against me for a 5 count and then relax, creating autogenic inhibition and getting the muscle to a greater stretch.

**Mudge** · 10-07-2004, 03:45 PM

Thats the one, thanks FunkyFresh!

**P-funk** · 10-07-2004, 06:12 PM

LOL, funkyfresh is a new one.

**Vieope** · 10-07-2004, 08:21 PM

Yeah, I am more used to ass.

**Vieope** · 10-07-2004, 08:22 PM

Btw, this thread is the most interesting thing I saw at training in weeks.

**Yanick** · 10-07-2004, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by P-funk

the muscle is taken to a stretched position and then is allowed to relax and go even further. Think about when I used to teach you about assisted stretching and I show you how to stretch clients. If you remeber, I would have you bring your leg up, as stratight as you could, as high as possible on your own. That is where you flexability stopped. Then I would apply pressure to bring that back a bit further. We would take it to were you stopped, now if I was an aggresive strecher (which I am

) and doing aggressive physical therapy I would have you relax and then push even further....take the muscle to a greater range. Also, if you recall, I would do PNF (proprioseptive neuromuscular facilitation) and have you resist against me for a 5 count and then relax, creating autogenic inhibition and getting the muscle to a greater stretch.

you know, your pretty smart for a freak. i just still don't see how it applies to being very flexible when you are sleeping.

**Mudge** · 10-07-2004, 10:39 PM

Yeah I was trying to figure how the signal was sent in sleep but eh, I'll let the rocket scientists figure it out or something. I dont want to search through 35,234 threads about sleep to find it

**Yanick** · 10-07-2004, 10:44 PM

yea i feel ya on that one.

**Mudge** · 10-07-2004, 10:58 PM

I'm normally good about remembering keywords or something but I dont remember the post being anything but brief, and I forgot the term, and the poster is not something I'm sure of.

**P-funk** · 10-08-2004, 02:57 AM

Originally Posted by Yanick

you know, your pretty smart for a freak. i just still don't see how it applies to being very flexible when you are sleeping.

A freak, yes. Whether I am smart or not is still up in the air though.

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