bench pressing

minesastella · 10-21-2004, 04:51 PM

Hi Guys/Gals
I'm pretty new to this forum, I'd just like to say Inly do Incline Bench Presses in my workouts, varying angles, 100Kg for 10 reps, 4 sets on each, I tried a flat Bench earlier this week and I managed to push 100Kg out easily, probably could have added 10Kg or so.

gococksDJS · 10-21-2004, 05:17 PM

MTN WARRIOR, this is the link from where I got that quote. It is a website run by a team of doctors, nurses, and graduate students who specialize in healthcare biology. The caption about benchpress is about half way down the page.
http://www.nurseminerva.co.uk/muscular.htm#q7
I did not find anything in this article about isolation. It says you can put more stress on separate areas of your pectoralis major i.e. upper, lower, but it says nothing about isolating. The definition of isolate is to set apart or cut off from others, so by this I would believe that you would not be able to isolate areas of your pectoralis major because it contracts as a whole, but this article says that it is possible to isolate areas of a muscle. About a third of the way down read under "The Sculptor in Training"

http://www.fitstep.com/Misc/Newslett...es/issue18.htm

Now im not sure if this website is credible because there are a lot of bullshit sites on the internet, including that one that promised me they could add 7" in 1 month.

pmech · 10-21-2004, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gococksDJS

Now im not sure if this website is credible because there are a lot of bullshit sites on the internet, including that one that promised me they could add 7" in 1 month.

You mean... it isn't going to work?????

myCATpowerlifts · 10-21-2004, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnnny

I agree with that, but it is important to hit your pecs from all angles & grips btw.

i agree, its definetly needed, doing only flast has unbalanced me noticably

and i know more about my body than anyone else, so nobody can tell me that a muscle doesnt grow differently in response to diff. angles...etc

Saturday Fever · 10-21-2004, 05:45 PM

Well, I certainly can tell you that. Let me offer you a "theory" as to why you believe doing an incline press has produced an "upper chest" for you.

Your anterior deltoid originates on the clavicle (the same as your pec). When you perform an incline press, you put yourself in a position that functionally requires more use of your anterior deltoid than a regular flat bench press. Now as your deltoid hypertrophies (and depending where, genetically, your delt originates) you get what APPEARS to be a developed upper chest. When in fact what you've done is hypertrophied your delt by performing a lift that greater stimulates it than a flat press.

And really, if you're after appearances, then you have achieved your goal. But I'm arguing that what you're doing is not what you think you're doing. And to top that off, human anatomy would agree with the ability to create this "appearance" via the anterior delt, whereas it disagrees with the idea you have actually developed the mysterious "upper chest."

russianalex · 10-21-2004, 06:08 PM

Guys I Put Up This Post And I Have One More Question
Everyone Here Is Talking About Incline
What About Decline
Just Today I Worked Out For 30 Mins I Cant Do More Because I Have Nothing To Do I Dont Know Any Rountines
I Did 3 Sets 8 Reps Of The Following
Inline With 60 Lbs
Flat With 80 Lbs
Decline With 70 Lbs
And Then I Did Some Freeweights But I Dont Know What Theyt Are Called
I Think Some Curls And Then Situps, Pushups, Crunches, And When You Just Keep Your Arms Straight At Your Side And Then Lift With 10 Pounders
Is This A Good Routine?
And I Topped It Off With Some Milk For That Calcium Boost
So What Are Decline Presses For Anyhow?

Jeanie · 10-21-2004, 06:35 PM

I wouldn't mind answering but I just get ignored.

I let them start a big debate again.

**CowPimp** · 10-21-2004, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by russianalex

Guys I Put Up This Post And I Have One More Question
Everyone Here Is Talking About Incline
What About Decline
Just Today I Worked Out For 30 Mins I Cant Do More Because I Have Nothing To Do I Dont Know Any Rountines
I Did 3 Sets 8 Reps Of The Following
Inline With 60 Lbs
Flat With 80 Lbs
Decline With 70 Lbs
And Then I Did Some Freeweights But I Dont Know What Theyt Are Called
I Think Some Curls And Then Situps, Pushups, Crunches, And When You Just Keep Your Arms Straight At Your Side And Then Lift With 10 Pounders
Is This A Good Routine?
And I Topped It Off With Some Milk For That Calcium Boost
So What Are Decline Presses For Anyhow?

Look at the routine I laid out for you. Use the exercises I mentioned. You asked for advice, but you didn't incorporate the advice either me or Johnnny offered to you, although not listening to Johnnny was a good thing.

Go to Exrx if you need to learn more exercises or how to properly do an exercise. As I have told you, you need to do more research (Searching and Google are your friends) regarding the form on the bench press, squat, and deadlift. The form is very complex for all three.

Please read the stickies in the training and diet and nutrition forum. PLEASE. It doesn't take that long. People on these forums don't like to spoon feed information to people.

**CowPimp** · 10-21-2004, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saturday Fever

Well, I certainly can tell you that. Let me offer you a "theory" as to why you believe doing an incline press has produced an "upper chest" for you.

Your anterior deltoid originates on the clavicle (the same as your pec). When you perform an incline press, you put yourself in a position that functionally requires more use of your anterior deltoid than a regular flat bench press. Now as your deltoid hypertrophies (and depending where, genetically, your delt originates) you get what APPEARS to be a developed upper chest. When in fact what you've done is hypertrophied your delt by performing a lift that greater stimulates it than a flat press.

And really, if you're after appearances, then you have achieved your goal. But I'm arguing that what you're doing is not what you think you're doing. And to top that off, human anatomy would agree with the ability to create this "appearance" via the anterior delt, whereas it disagrees with the idea you have actually developed the mysterious "upper chest."

Thank you! That's what I said a long time ago. It's really not that hard to comprehend.

Jeanie · 10-21-2004, 06:48 PM

See, that's exactly what i mean

gwcaton · 10-21-2004, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeanie

See, that's exactly what i mean

Not to change the subject but ... Jeanie You look Incredible !!!

Hey ! where'd your pic go !

JerseyDevil · 10-21-2004, 06:53 PM

I agree with SF's theory as well. The front delts tie into the pecs, and incline presses strongly stress that area, giving the 'illusion' of a more developed upper chest.

gwcaton · 10-21-2004, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by russianalex

Guys I Put Up This Post And I Have One More Question
Everyone Here Is Talking About Incline
What About Decline
Just Today I Worked Out For 30 Mins I Cant Do More Because I Have Nothing To Do I Dont Know Any Rountines
I Did 3 Sets 8 Reps Of The Following
Inline With 60 Lbs
Flat With 80 Lbs
Decline With 70 Lbs
And Then I Did Some Freeweights But I Dont Know What Theyt Are Called
I Think Some Curls And Then Situps, Pushups, Crunches, And When You Just Keep Your Arms Straight At Your Side And Then Lift With 10 Pounders
Is This A Good Routine?
And I Topped It Off With Some Milk For That Calcium Boost
So What Are Decline Presses For Anyhow?

Alex here is a link to some exercises and what they are called. don't know if this will help or not but give it a look .
http://bodybuilding.com/fun/exercises.htm

Jeanie · 10-21-2004, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gwcaton

Not to change the subject but ... Jeanie You look Incredible !!!

Hey ! where'd your pic go !

okay, I put it back....thought it may be a bit intrusive! No one listens to womens advice...I suppose I should used to that

Saturday Fever · 10-21-2004, 06:59 PM

I came into the thread late and overnight there were 2 new pages of posts. I certainly wouldn't ignore anything you say.

gwcaton · 10-21-2004, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeanie

okay, I put it back....thought it may be a bit intrusive! No one listens to womens advice...I suppose I should used to that

Anybody who wouldn't listen to a womans advise just because she is a woman is crazy. there are some very knowledgeable women on this board . And looking as good as you do would make me tend to think that you have some idea of what you are talking about

Duncans Donuts · 10-21-2004, 07:24 PM

What is your routine Jeanie?

Jeanie · 10-21-2004, 07:32 PM

Who me?

My routine?

Okay, Pecs are VERY important to me since I tend to lose my fatty breast tissue when leaning out....So, I am very intense in my chest routines. Now I don't use a barbell for benches, instead I preger dumbells. I do INCLINE (which is what gives me the appearance of cleavage

) I do DECLINE (because it lifts what I do have

) And i do flat bench for the all over development. I also use some of the machines, too. I always finish with cable cross overs.
Thank you for asking

DOMS · 10-21-2004, 08:39 PM

Cowpimp, if doing declines and inclines do not develop the pecs anymore than a flat bench press, then why do them?

Looking back at the sentence, it sounds a bit harsh, it's not meant to be. I just don't know how to phrase it any better.

Oh yeah, and Jeanie...w00t!

Johnnny · 10-21-2004, 08:49 PM

cfs3

Quote:

Cowpimp, if doing declines and inclines do not develop the pecs anymore than a flat bench press, then why do them?

He & the others will probably just say to do them for variation LOL

just like some of the others do.

Jeanie

Quote:

I do INCLINE (which is what gives me the appearance of cleavage ) I do DECLINE (because it lifts what I do have ) And i do flat bench for the all over development. I also use some of the machines, too. I always finish with cable cross overs.

You do all angles?

Don't let about 4 members see you write that LOL

, they will tell you, that you are wrong for doing it.

But I agree with you & you've got a nicely developed chest.

But it's true about women losing their breast tissue which is why many get implants.

My girlfriend only does incline bench or dumbbells, incline dumbbell flies & just pec dec or cable crossovers.

No flat bench or decline bench for her for this very reason.

Nice to hear your opinions.

russianalex · 10-21-2004, 09:02 PM

ok let me get this off of my chest
Johnnny here is a good guy and i dont think you should disrespect him
besides i take everyones advice into gonsideration because nothing bad can really happen from analyzing more than 1 point of view
i think you are all being very hard on him
sometimes he just writes some things that he doesnt mean to and you all jump on him like hes a damn steak
thats kinda wrong and mean and considering ppl made fun of me a lot before i dont really like seeing it all happen again because it reminds me of the bad times
johnnny is the one always giving me advice in private mesages and constantly sending me links that i find very helpful
you may disagree with him but dont make fun of him and make him feel unacepted
people always thought i was gay and im really not
and it maed me feel very bad to be the joke or clown constantly
you all may be more experienced or might have different opinions but there is no reason to call each other stupid and all of that
have some respect for other peoples opinions please
thank you all

Johnnny · 10-21-2004, 09:07 PM

russianalex

Quote:

ok let me get this off of my chest
Johnnny here is a good guy and i dont think you should disrespect him
besides i take everyones advice into gonsideration because nothing bad
can really happen from analyzing more than 1 point of view
i think you are all being very hard on him
sometimes he just writes some things that he doesnt mean to and you all
jump on him like hes a damn steak
thats kinda wrong and mean and considering ppl made fun of me a lot
before i dont really like seeing it all happen again because it reminds me
of the bad times
johnnny is the one always giving me advice in private mesages and
constantly sending me links that i find very helpful
you may disagree with him but dont make fun of him and make him feel
unacepted
people always thought i was gay and im really not
and it maed me feel very bad to be the joke or clown constantly
you all may be more experienced or might have different opinions but
there is no reason to call each other stupid and all of that
have some respect for other peoples opinions please
thank you all

Nice words once again.

I respect those opinions as well.

I just try to help.

myCATpowerlifts · 10-21-2004, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saturday Fever

Well, I certainly can tell you that. Let me offer you a "theory" as to why you believe doing an incline press has produced an "upper chest" for you.

Your anterior deltoid originates on the clavicle (the same as your pec). When you perform an incline press, you put yourself in a position that functionally requires more use of your anterior deltoid than a regular flat bench press. Now as your deltoid hypertrophies (and depending where, genetically, your delt originates) you get what APPEARS to be a developed upper chest. When in fact what you've done is hypertrophied your delt by performing a lift that greater stimulates it than a flat press.

And really, if you're after appearances, then you have achieved your goal. But I'm arguing that what you're doing is not what you think you're doing. And to top that off, human anatomy would agree with the ability to create this "appearance" via the anterior delt, whereas it disagrees with the idea you have actually developed the mysterious "upper chest."

HA! see now your directly contradicting yourself!

You said that you that you dont need inclines because incline,decline, flat
all work the chest, and you cant specialize a certain section of your chest

but here you go with anterior deltoids...

Doing ANY benching will use them....but you say that doing inclines emphasizes them...but wait

Why can you emphasize your delts in a certain section more with incline bench then flat, but you cant emphasize certain sections of your chest????

myCATpowerlifts · 10-21-2004, 10:34 PM

p.s. jeanie, you are very hot and sexy

10-21-2004, 04:51 PM	#121
minesastella Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: uk Posts: 4	Hi Guys/Gals I'm pretty new to this forum, I'd just like to say Inly do Incline Bench Presses in my workouts, varying angles, 100Kg for 10 reps, 4 sets on each, I tried a flat Bench earlier this week and I managed to push 100Kg out easily, probably could have added 10Kg or so.
	You are what you eat

10-21-2004, 05:17 PM	#122
gococksDJS RIP Foreman Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,002	MTN WARRIOR, this is the link from where I got that quote. It is a website run by a team of doctors, nurses, and graduate students who specialize in healthcare biology. The caption about benchpress is about half way down the page. http://www.nurseminerva.co.uk/muscular.htm#q7 I did not find anything in this article about isolation. It says you can put more stress on separate areas of your pectoralis major i.e. upper, lower, but it says nothing about isolating. The definition of isolate is to set apart or cut off from others, so by this I would believe that you would not be able to isolate areas of your pectoralis major because it contracts as a whole, but this article says that it is possible to isolate areas of a muscle. About a third of the way down read under "The Sculptor in Training" http://www.fitstep.com/Misc/Newslett...es/issue18.htm Now im not sure if this website is credible because there are a lot of bullshit sites on the internet, including that one that promised me they could add 7" in 1 month.
gococksDJS RIP Foreman Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,002

10-21-2004, 05:45 PM	#125
Saturday Fever Pimp Gimp Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: California Posts: 2,142 Photos: 4	Well, I certainly can tell you that. Let me offer you a "theory" as to why you believe doing an incline press has produced an "upper chest" for you. Your anterior deltoid originates on the clavicle (the same as your pec). When you perform an incline press, you put yourself in a position that functionally requires more use of your anterior deltoid than a regular flat bench press. Now as your deltoid hypertrophies (and depending where, genetically, your delt originates) you get what APPEARS to be a developed upper chest. When in fact what you've done is hypertrophied your delt by performing a lift that greater stimulates it than a flat press. And really, if you're after appearances, then you have achieved your goal. But I'm arguing that what you're doing is not what you think you're doing. And to top that off, human anatomy would agree with the ability to create this "appearance" via the anterior delt, whereas it disagrees with the idea you have actually developed the mysterious "upper chest."
	yay.

10-21-2004, 06:08 PM	#126
russianalex Super Pumper Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 36 Photos: 3	Guys I Put Up This Post And I Have One More Question Everyone Here Is Talking About Incline What About Decline Just Today I Worked Out For 30 Mins I Cant Do More Because I Have Nothing To Do I Dont Know Any Rountines I Did 3 Sets 8 Reps Of The Following Inline With 60 Lbs Flat With 80 Lbs Decline With 70 Lbs And Then I Did Some Freeweights But I Dont Know What Theyt Are Called I Think Some Curls And Then Situps, Pushups, Crunches, And When You Just Keep Your Arms Straight At Your Side And Then Lift With 10 Pounders Is This A Good Routine? And I Topped It Off With Some Milk For That Calcium Boost So What Are Decline Presses For Anyhow?
	KEEP AT IT, AND YOU WILL MOST CERTAINLY SUCEED WEIGHT=180 HEIGHT=5'10" BENCH=150 LEG PRESS=220 PUSHUPS=20 MAX (I CAN DO 20) CRUNCHES=50-70(DEPENDING ON THE DAY AND TIME) SITUPS=30 MAX

10-21-2004, 06:48 PM	#130
Jeanie Mom/Student/Wifey Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: None Ya! Posts: 939 Photos: 6	Pecs See, that's exactly what i mean
	Current weight 130.4 Goal weight 125 11 bf% Overall Goal is to be the best I can be and feel good http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/ga...ent_BF-med.jpg

10-21-2004, 06:35 PM	#127
Jeanie Mom/Student/Wifey Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: None Ya! Posts: 939 Photos: 6	I wouldn't mind answering but I just get ignored. I let them start a big debate again.

10-21-2004, 06:53 PM	#132
JerseyDevil GO Buckeyes! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Southern, NJ Posts: 5,181	I agree with SF's theory as well. The front delts tie into the pecs, and incline presses strongly stress that area, giving the 'illusion' of a more developed upper chest.

10-21-2004, 06:59 PM	#135
Saturday Fever Pimp Gimp Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: California Posts: 2,142 Photos: 4	I came into the thread late and overnight there were 2 new pages of posts. I certainly wouldn't ignore anything you say.
	yay.

10-21-2004, 07:24 PM	#137
Duncans Donuts Stay puffed, baby. Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: CA Posts: 2,774 Photos: 2	What is your routine Jeanie?
	"in the howling bleeding nights, the dogs plunge into the Volga and swim desperately to gain the other bank. The nights of Stalingrad are a terror for them. Animals flee this hell; the hardest stones cannot bear it for long; only men endure."

10-21-2004, 07:32 PM	#138
Jeanie Mom/Student/Wifey Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: None Ya! Posts: 939 Photos: 6	Who me? My routine? Okay, Pecs are VERY important to me since I tend to lose my fatty breast tissue when leaning out....So, I am very intense in my chest routines. Now I don't use a barbell for benches, instead I preger dumbells. I do INCLINE (which is what gives me the appearance of cleavage ) I do DECLINE (because it lifts what I do have ) And i do flat bench for the all over development. I also use some of the machines, too. I always finish with cable cross overs. Thank you for asking
	Current weight 130.4 Goal weight 125 11 bf% Overall Goal is to be the best I can be and feel good http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/ga...ent_BF-med.jpg

10-21-2004, 08:39 PM	#139
DOMS Metrosexual Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: In a van, down by the river... Posts: 21,725 Photos: 6	Cowpimp, if doing declines and inclines do not develop the pecs anymore than a flat bench press, then why do them? Looking back at the sentence, it sounds a bit harsh, it's not meant to be. I just don't know how to phrase it any better. Oh yeah, and Jeanie...w00t!
	I never lie because I don't fear anyone. You only lie when you're afraid.—John Gotti

10-21-2004, 09:02 PM	#141
russianalex Super Pumper Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 36 Photos: 3	ok let me get this off of my chest Johnnny here is a good guy and i dont think you should disrespect him besides i take everyones advice into gonsideration because nothing bad can really happen from analyzing more than 1 point of view i think you are all being very hard on him sometimes he just writes some things that he doesnt mean to and you all jump on him like hes a damn steak thats kinda wrong and mean and considering ppl made fun of me a lot before i dont really like seeing it all happen again because it reminds me of the bad times johnnny is the one always giving me advice in private mesages and constantly sending me links that i find very helpful you may disagree with him but dont make fun of him and make him feel unacepted people always thought i was gay and im really not and it maed me feel very bad to be the joke or clown constantly you all may be more experienced or might have different opinions but there is no reason to call each other stupid and all of that have some respect for other peoples opinions please thank you all
	KEEP AT IT, AND YOU WILL MOST CERTAINLY SUCEED WEIGHT=180 HEIGHT=5'10" BENCH=150 LEG PRESS=220 PUSHUPS=20 MAX (I CAN DO 20) CRUNCHES=50-70(DEPENDING ON THE DAY AND TIME) SITUPS=30 MAX

10-21-2004, 10:34 PM	#144
myCATpowerlifts Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The lone star state Posts: 6,261 Photos: 2	p.s. jeanie, you are very hot and sexy

10-21-2004, 10:37 PM	#145
Duncans Donuts Stay puffed, baby. Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: CA Posts: 2,774 Photos: 2