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Old 11-26-2004, 06:32 PM   #1
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HIT style routine... please crit this!!

Day 1 "PUSH"

Bench Press: 2 sets x 6-8 reps 1st to absolute failiure, 2nd beyond failiure (either forced reps or rest-pause)
Incline Bench: 1 set x 8-10 reps to absolute failiure
Low Dips (for chest): 1 set x as many slow-deep reps as possible (roughly 12-15) to absolute failiure
CG Bench Press (for tris): 1 set x 10-12 reps to absolute failiure
Millitary Press: 2 sets of 8-10 reps, 1st to absolute failiure, 2nd beyond failiure

total sets = 7 for chest, tris and shoulders! (normally this would just be half of my chest workout!)


Day 2 "LOWER"

Squat: 2 sets x 20 reps just short of failiure (hurts me just typing that!)
Deads: 1 set x 10 reps just short of failiure (!!!)
Calf Raises: 1 set x 15 reps to absolute failiure (if i'm still alive by this point)
Weighted Crunch: 2 sets x 20 reps to absolute failiure
Hanging leg raises: 1 set x as many reps as possible to absolute failiure

total sets = 7 for legs, lower back and upper/lower abs


Day 3 "PULL"

Pull-Ups: 2 sets x as many slow reps as possible (roughly 6-8 depending how slow I go), 1st set to absolute failiure, 2nd beyond failiure (forced if I can get a spotter, rest-pause if not)
Bent over rows (barbell): 2 sets x 10-12 reps 1st to absolute failiure, 2nd beyond failiure using rest-pause (omg this is gonna hurt my lats!)
D/B shrugs: 1 set x 10-15 reps beyond failiure (rest-pause)
Barbell curl: 1 set x 6-8 reps beyond failiure (rest-pause + slight cheat)
D/B curl: 1 set x 10-12 reps (strict + slow) beyond failiure (rest-pause)

total sets = 7 for lats, traps and bis


all in all thats 21 sets per week, FYI my last workout of my old routine this evening consisted of 24 sets! (mind you it was my biggest day, shoulders and arms, and i added an extra set or 2 here n' there just because I knew it was my last volume workout for a while!!), it also lasted 1 hour 20mins, so I should be able to keep each workout in this new routine under the 30min mark, which would be great! for me, more time to do normal things like socialize, play sports, chase uni girls and of course study!

is there anything I should change in terms of sets+reps, I decided if doing 2 sets the 2nd set will be pushed beyond failiure but not the first, is this okay? or should I start off with no 'beyond failiure' techniques, then add them in after a couple of weeks to various lifts? or maybe just add them in if I hit any sticking points?

anyway apart from that I hope everything is looking cool, should I make a large emphasis on the eccentric portions of the lifts on all exercises? any more/less than others? I always try and lift the positive part of the lift with maximum force... or should I slow the whole exercises down?

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Old 11-26-2004, 07:04 PM   #2
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you're a baller right? why dont you try mixing some explosive movements like cleans, and dont go failure on squats and deads back to back? i think it may be quite dangerous you maybe not be as focused to do them correctly and round your lower back, esp. since you are trying to go to failure after going failure on squats?



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I agree with Melo. Personally I wouldn't do deads and squats back to back. Take your squats to failure though. Everything goes to failure, this is High intensity! Do only one set for exercises, not 2 for some. One set to failure after your warm-up. You've got too much for Chest. Do 2 exercises, a compound and a flye of some sort. Also too many pressing movements. For delts do side laterals or rear (or both). For Tri's do pushdowns.



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If you go to failure on squats, you won't have any energy left to do it twice.

As far as explosive movements are concerned, I don't know how doing them will make you a better jumper or a better rebounder...

On deadlifts, go to failure if you can do so in good form.

Looks good, do lots of warmups and go with one set to failure instead of two..



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As far as explosive movements are concerned, I don't know how doing them will make you a better jumper or a better rebounder...
if you're saying stuffs like cleans, i know how they will make a better jumper.
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alright, first, evidence.many world class olympic lifters have outstanding vertical leap and a great 40 yard,even though they probably never run and jump train in their life(read november's edition of MD).n it's bcos of this i started to incoperate them into my routine and i find that it really really helps.

secondly, the scientific shit is that, jumping is also a hip dominant movement. during the 'up-phase',"when you thrust your back up from a down position" ,alot of power is generated from the hips. doing cleans strenghten the hip extensors,which are key for speed and jumping ability.

more powerful hips -> more power generated during 'up phase' -> jump higher

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/softball15.htm (dont think about the web site's name)

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/kelly11.htm (read the clean and snatch variation part)

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Those aren't studies.



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I personally would not recommend power cleans. They are very dependant on exceptional form, and could be considered dangerous even under good supervision (a power clean is basically the throwing and catching of a huge amount of weight).

There are studies that support the idea that this type of ballistic training can improve explosiveness, but a number also exist that refute the idea that you have to train in this fashion to improve your explosiveness. Research indicates the results can be achieved through other (squat, deadlift, etc.) Here are the references if you would like to independently research the results:

Van Oteghen, S.L. 1975 Two speeds of isokinetic exercise as related to the vertical jump performance in women. Research Quarterly 46: 78-84.

Kanehisa, H., and M. Miyashita. 1983. Specificity of velocity in strength training. European Jouranal of Physiology 52: 104-106.

Palmieri, G.A. 1983. The principles of muscle fiber recruitment during ballistic movements. National Strength and Conditioning Journal 5(5): 22-24, 63.

Wenzel, R.R., and E.M. Perfetto. 1992 The effect of speed versus non-speed training in power development. Journal of Applied Sport Science Research 6: 82-87.

In terms of results, I believe that simply attempting to move a heavy weight through a natural range of motion quickly is what needs to be done to improve velocity implied effects. It is not actually moving the weight fast that matters, but trying to do so. What this means is that toward the end of a normal set of an exercise, when you can barely do another rep, trying to lift the weight quickly will elicit the same results. Muscle fatigue will make such a movement impossible, but the fact that you are incapable is not of importance, just that you attempt it.
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