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Johnnny · 11-29-2004, 09:06 AM

P-Funk

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Man, I used to try so much stuff to make my biceps bigger. Lots of volume, lots of reps, etc.....I always traind arms on their own day. I can tell you though, this year I stopped training arms on their own day and trained with push/pull splits so by the end of the workout I was so fried to do anything more that like 3 or 4 sets for arms. Ya know what, I have never seen more growth in my boceps than I have this year. And I really belive it was because I lowered the volume on them and put more focus on heavy pushing and pulling.

Did you ever think that maybe you just don't have the genetics for arms?

Sometimes we just have to accept that we don't always have the genetics for certain body parts.

My calves are only 18 inches & I train them twice a week while I one friend who is a non steroid user has almost 20 inch calves & he rarely does calves just the plyometrics he does for football.

I'd hate to see how big they'd get if he trained them twice a week.

ChrisROCK · 11-29-2004, 09:12 AM

Hey johnny...I'm just curious... Does it tell you something that a large majority of the board is always at odds with you? I'm new here myself...but i took issue with comments you were making before i realized you were a troll.

ChrisROCK · 11-29-2004, 09:14 AM

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Well what would you call a well rounded chest with a full cleavage? I don't see the problem.

Women have cleavage...men have definition!

Johnnny · 11-29-2004, 09:14 AM

ChrisRock

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Hey johnny...I'm just curious... Does it tell you something that a
large majority of the board is always at odds with you? I'm new here
myself...but i took issue with comments you were making before i realized
you were a troll.

Well it's only a few significant members as it's always been.

You think I'm a troll? That's funny.

B/c if you took the time to get to know me as other members have you wouldn't be saying that.

You don't know me, neither do these significant few.

ChrisROCK · 11-29-2004, 09:18 AM

You're correct, I don't know you...but from what I have seen...you're always argumentative...and you tend to have a different view than everyone else. That is not always wrong, by no means...but you seem to often go against conventional "wisdom".

Johnnny · 11-29-2004, 09:20 AM

ChrisRock

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You're correct, I don't know you...but from what I have seen...you're
always argumentative...and you tend to have a different view than
everyone else. That is not always wrong, by no means...but you seem to often go against conventional "wisdom".

Not being argumentitive, only defending myself against a few significant know it all members.

As for my views, they aren't different from everyone else.

Randy told me that he'd never give up his bicep routine b/c these guys say that back exercises will replace them.

Just insanity.

ChrisROCK · 11-29-2004, 09:26 AM

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ChrisRock

Not being argumentitive, only defending myself against a few significant know it all members.

As for my views, they aren't different from everyone else.

Randy told me that he'd never give up his bicep routine b/c these guys say that back exercises will replace them.

Just insanity.

Randy?

I don't think anyone has said to replace your bi routine with back exercises altogether. They were just stating that back exercises work your bis. And for some, perhaps they see better growth that way... To each their own, everyone is different... We all have to figure out what does and doesn't work for us. There is no magic program whereby we can all follow it and grow huge immediately.

Johnnny · 11-29-2004, 09:30 AM

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I don't think anyone has said to replace your bi routine with back
exercises altogether. They were just stating that back exercises work your
bis. And for some, perhaps they see better growth that way... To each
their own, everyone is different... We all have to figure out what
does and doesn't work for us. There is no magic program whereby we can
all follow it and grow huge immediately.

I would never eliminate my bicep routine for anyone or anything no matter how much better "a few significant others" say it is.

Most ppl I know would laugh at them.

ChrisROCK · 11-29-2004, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnnny

ChrisRock

I would never eliminate my bicep routine for anyone or anything no matter how much better "a few significant others" say it is.

Most ppl I know would laugh at them.

You see, above is a perfect example of why people might find you annoying... You quoted me...then you made a statement completely unrelated to what i said.

I said NOTHING about eliminating your biceps routine....

Pepper · 11-29-2004, 09:48 AM

Johnny is a troll.

Please do not feed the trolls.

Flex · 11-29-2004, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Pepper

Johnny is a troll.

Please do not feed the trolls.

Is troll spanish for dick?

**gopro** · 11-29-2004, 10:27 AM

Can heavy back training build large biceps without any direct bicep training? Yes, especially if genetically gifted in that area.

Would the same person build even bigger biceps if he added some intelligent direct bicep work? Most definitely.

Johnnny · 11-29-2004, 10:41 AM

ChrisRock

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You see, above is a perfect example of why people might find you
annoying... You quoted me...then you made a statement completely unrelated
to what i said.

I said NOTHING about eliminating your biceps routine....

You're right I never said that you said anything about eliminating your biceps routine.

I wasn't referring to you at all.

I was merely stating that I would never give up my bicep routine b/c a few significant others say so.

Johnnny · 11-29-2004, 10:48 AM

Flex

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Is troll spanish for dick?

You're calling me a dick now?

You have no reason to, I have nothing against you just as I thought you had nothing against me.

But to call me a dick just b/c I think training biceps directly is important, isn't cool of you.

This is no reason to call me a dick.

It's just a few significant members here try to make me stand out as one when I'm not.

It's the same thing as saying that chest & shoulder presses would build big & strong triceps.

Yes chest/shoulder presses cause hypertrophy to the triceps during the pressing motion, but it doesn't beat various skull crushers, CG bench press, or various cable push downs.

I believe that training every body part & muscle is very important to build an over all better & stronger physique.

I get a variation of all exercises every 3-4 weeks when I change up the entire routine.

Arnold was genetically gifted to build big arms/chest & he never neglected training any body parts & he was even on steroids & he still trained all body parts & made sure to get a variety of exercises.

Maybe if we trained more like Arnold our physiques would be much better. Heck throw in some steroids with the proper diet & hard training & our physique's would be amazing.

**P-funk** · 11-29-2004, 11:03 AM

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You shouldn't threaten ppl you don't know! Not a good idea.

I wasn't talking about fighting. I was talking about a workout.
I already apologized for the bashing that I was doing so I am not going to dish anymore out. I am not going to make fun of you anymore. Not even in Jest.

as far as my genetics for arms goes. yeah, my genetics suck there. so i have to do what i can to make them grow. and that is lower my volume. my arms right now are 17" which isn't huge but isn't to bad on a guy standing 5'5". Also, they are proportional to the rest of my body so that is fine. BBing is about illusion, not measurements.

Johnnny · 11-29-2004, 11:13 AM

P-Funk

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I wasn't talking about fighting. I was talking about a workout.
I already apologized for the bashing that I was doing so I am not going
to dish anymore out. I am not going to make fun of you anymore. Not
even in Jest.

Okay my bad b/c there are a lot of internet tough guys around. I'm not into fighting either.

Apology accepted. But you think your workouts could kick my ass? Don't be surprised.

I'd like to hear your lifts on chest for example or your barbell curls?

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as far as my genetics for arms goes. yeah, my genetics suck there. so i have to do what i can to make them grow. and that is lower my
volume. my arms right now are 17" which isn't huge but isn't to bad on a guy
standing 5'5". Also, they are proportional to the rest of my body so
that is fine. BBing is about illusion, not measurements.

If you have shit genetics for that department that should inspire you to train that lagging body part much harder to make it grow.

I used to hate training shoulders when I was a teenager as they weren't the widest or strongest but by 17-18yrs old I managed to force them to grow & get stronger.

If I ignored my delts they would be much smaller today.

I would recommend training your biceps & keep the volume down. Maybe 2-3 exercises 6-9 sets maximum.

The biceps are one of the most overtrained muscle around.

Sometimes I'd be stuck going to the gym on Friday night at 8pm b/c of work & I'd see some guys come in to do 14 sets of biceps then I'd hear them talking on their cell phone about what time to meet up at the night club.

& then I hear them on the phone telling their buddy that they're at the gym doing just biceps even though it's supposed to be their day off, they say they just wanted to come in so their arms get pumped for when they go out to impress girls.

This is just stupid IMO.

Most bodybuilders, football players/other pro athletes steroid enhanced or not will train all muscle groups to achieve an over all better & stronger body.

Even for football we trained all body parts. Maybe we didn't do all the 2ndary exercises of all muscles but we did all compound movements for all muscle groups.

cman · 11-29-2004, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by P-funk

as far as my genetics for arms goes. yeah, my genetics suck there. so i have to do what i can to make them grow. and that is lower my volume. my arms right now are 17" which isn't huge but isn't to bad on a guy standing 5'5". Also, they are proportional to the rest of my body so that is fine. BBing is about illusion, not measurements.

What is wrong with your arms?
Im begginning to think I don't know what good arms are supposed to look like.
For your size your arms are huge, and look proportional.
What are you meaning by this?

cman · 11-29-2004, 11:20 AM

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Is troll spanish for dick?

Eltrollo

cman · 11-29-2004, 11:22 AM

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Women have cleavage...men have definition!

Johnnny has cleavage.

Johnnny · 11-29-2004, 11:28 AM

cman

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Johnnny has cleavage.

Not from boobs dude.

From expaned pectoral muscles

cman · 11-29-2004, 11:47 AM

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cman

Not from boobs dude.

From expaned pectoral muscles

post a pic than.

Johnnny · 11-29-2004, 12:15 PM

cman

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post a pic than.

Maybe soon

Yet I don't see any pics of your physique in your gallery?

Duncans Donuts · 11-29-2004, 12:55 PM

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3 sets of standing barbell curls with 125lbs
3 sets of incline bench hammer curls using 50's, 40's, & 30's
3 sets of db preacher curls using 50's, 40's, & 30's

Maybe if you keep posting your numbers we'll all be impressed

camarosuper6 · 11-29-2004, 01:10 PM

Johnnny.... douche bag says what?

Twin Peak · 11-29-2004, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by gopro

Can heavy back training build large biceps without any direct bicep training? Yes, especially if genetically gifted in that area.

Would the same person build even bigger biceps if he added some intelligent direct bicep work? Most definitely.

Well said.

11-29-2004, 09:12 AM	#92
ChrisROCK ///M Rider Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Southern NYS Posts: 793 Photos: 5	Hey johnny...I'm just curious... Does it tell you something that a large majority of the board is always at odds with you? I'm new here myself...but i took issue with comments you were making before i realized you were a troll.
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11-29-2004, 09:18 AM	#95
ChrisROCK ///M Rider Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Southern NYS Posts: 793 Photos: 5	You're correct, I don't know you...but from what I have seen...you're always argumentative...and you tend to have a different view than everyone else. That is not always wrong, by no means...but you seem to often go against conventional "wisdom".
	Maximus: "What we do in life, echoes in eternity." http://kandeecup.tripod.com/gif "Success does not necessarily mean advancement;... it refers to the accomplishment or sense of achievement one obtains from trying one's best... I...enjoy the process of become stronger and more muscular."

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