Deadlifts...Help!

Robin Hood · 12-11-2004, 05:32 PM

K. So I'm trying to really build up my hamstrings as they are lagging behind compared to my quads.

I'm trying to do deadlifts, but my upper body gets tired before my hams reach failure. I tried using the Smith press hoping this would help...no luck. How can I really target my hams doing deadlifts?!

Also, anyone have any good leg workouts using cables and ankle cuffs?

tenxyearsxgone · 12-11-2004, 05:51 PM

Do Stiff legged Deadlifts....go to www.joeskopec.com and check out assistance exercises and look at the videos...especially for glut-ham raise, SLDL, and roman chair...your upper body has to adapt to the movement and get stronger, so does your grip...learn correct form, don't use wraps and you'll eventually get stronger and make serious strength gains as well as induce great ham development!

tenxyearsxgone · 12-11-2004, 05:52 PM

ps that avatar is hot lol nice shot of that woman!

Robin Hood · 12-11-2004, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by tenxyearsxgone

ps that avatar is hot lol nice shot of that woman!

Thanx

those abs are mine about 3 mos ago. lookin better now.

**Mudge** · 12-11-2004, 05:58 PM

Are you talking SLDL? Because deadlifts aren't a hamstring movement. Yes they hit the legs but only for a number of inches in the movement, around a foot or so. Once you get to the knee area its not hitting the legs much at all.

I prefer good mornings for my hamstring and midback stuff, then I do 1-2 sets of leg curls.

Robin Hood · 12-11-2004, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mudge

Are you talking SLDL? Because deadlifts aren't a hamstring movement. Yes they hit the legs but only for a number of inches in the movement, around a foot or so. Once you get to the knee area its not hitting the legs much at all.

I prefer good mornings for my hamstring and midback stuff, then I do 1-2 sets of leg curls.

Yeah I'm talking SLDL. I'll try the goodmornings. Thanx.

**Jodi** · 12-11-2004, 06:11 PM

Is it your grip that is giving out?

Robin Hood · 12-11-2004, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jodi

Is it your grip that is giving out?

Nope. Just my upper body in general. I was talking to a male bodybuilder at the gym (this guy has a lot of upper body strength) and he said he experiences the same thing. Didn't really help.

The way I grip the bar is one hand under and the other over.

**Jodi** · 12-11-2004, 06:30 PM

Then your form may be off a bit. You should not feel much in your upper body doing SLDL. SLDL form is not an easy one to master because of hip movement during the exercise. This is how I do mine http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/...gDeadlift.html

When you get proper form you will only feel it lightly in the glute and spinal erectors but big time in the hams. Most likely you are using too much back and performing a standard deadlift instead of a SLDL.

Robin Hood · 12-11-2004, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jodi

Then your form may be off a bit. You should not feel much in your upper body doing SLDL. SLDL form is not an easy one to master because of hip movement during the exercise. This is how I do mine http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/...gDeadlift.html

When you get proper form you will only feel it lightly in the glute and spinal erectors but big time in the hams. Most likely you are using too much back and performing a standard deadlift instead of a SLDL.

Thanks, Jodi! That's website is really good. I frequent it a lot for exercises.

tenxyearsxgone · 12-11-2004, 08:05 PM

your upper body isn't equipped to lift heavy weight, in relative terms thast why it gives out first

Squaggleboggin · 12-12-2004, 12:54 AM

I thought SLDL were to be done with stiff legs, not straight legs. Doesn't that cause too much joint stress?

**Mudge** · 12-12-2004, 01:35 AM

Correct, stiff not straight. Straight can hyperextend the knee. To feel it in the hams you need to bend the leg.

**CowPimp** · 12-12-2004, 01:51 AM

http://www.bsu.edu/webapps/strengthl...s.asp?exid=169

Another good video and description of proper SLDL form.

KarlW · 12-12-2004, 05:42 AM

yes that is an xcellent video for SLDL form

12-11-2004, 05:32 PM	#1
Robin Hood Shut up and train! Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 267	Deadlifts...Help! K. So I'm trying to really build up my hamstrings as they are lagging behind compared to my quads. I'm trying to do deadlifts, but my upper body gets tired before my hams reach failure. I tried using the Smith press hoping this would help...no luck. How can I really target my hams doing deadlifts?! Also, anyone have any good leg workouts using cables and ankle cuffs?

12-11-2004, 05:58 PM	#5
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,056 Photos: 1	Are you talking SLDL? Because deadlifts aren't a hamstring movement. Yes they hit the legs but only for a number of inches in the movement, around a foot or so. Once you get to the knee area its not hitting the legs much at all. I prefer good mornings for my hamstring and midback stuff, then I do 1-2 sets of leg curls.
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12-11-2004, 06:11 PM	#7
Jodi Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,259 Photos: 1	Is it your grip that is giving out?
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12-11-2004, 06:30 PM	#9
Jodi Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,259 Photos: 1	Then your form may be off a bit. You should not feel much in your upper body doing SLDL. SLDL form is not an easy one to master because of hip movement during the exercise. This is how I do mine http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/...gDeadlift.html When you get proper form you will only feel it lightly in the glute and spinal erectors but big time in the hams. Most likely you are using too much back and performing a standard deadlift instead of a SLDL.
	Essence EFA

12-12-2004, 01:35 AM	#13
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,056 Photos: 1	Correct, stiff not straight. Straight can hyperextend the knee. To feel it in the hams you need to bend the leg.
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12-11-2004, 05:51 PM	#2
tenxyearsxgone Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: long island Posts: 370	Do Stiff legged Deadlifts....go to www.joeskopec.com and check out assistance exercises and look at the videos...especially for glut-ham raise, SLDL, and roman chair...your upper body has to adapt to the movement and get stronger, so does your grip...learn correct form, don't use wraps and you'll eventually get stronger and make serious strength gains as well as induce great ham development!

12-11-2004, 05:52 PM	#3
tenxyearsxgone Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: long island Posts: 370	ps that avatar is hot lol nice shot of that woman!

12-11-2004, 08:05 PM	#11
tenxyearsxgone Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: long island Posts: 370	your upper body isn't equipped to lift heavy weight, in relative terms thast why it gives out first

12-12-2004, 12:54 AM	#12
Squaggleboggin Functional Lifting = Life Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 3,540 Photos: 3	I thought SLDL were to be done with stiff legs, not straight legs. Doesn't that cause too much joint stress?

12-12-2004, 01:51 AM	#14
CowPimp Fueled by Testosterone Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 15,428	http://www.bsu.edu/webapps/strengthl...s.asp?exid=169 Another good video and description of proper SLDL form.
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12-12-2004, 05:42 AM	#15
KarlW My Little Man Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sydney Oz Posts: 1,030	yes that is an xcellent video for SLDL form
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