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    Angry Plateaus

    Hey all, I seem to have fallen into a pattern with my training lately: I start weight training after some time off (1-2 months) from regular training. Of course at first I am not able to use the same weight as the last time I left off, but gradually my strength returns to previous levels. Inevitably though, the gains taper off and then quit. Occasionally certain muscles or excercises will see a little improvement over previous bests, though that is pretty rare. I switch things around and try to focus on training/diet/rest to get over the plateau, but after a month or two of stagnation I usually end up losing motivation and the cycle begins all over again...

    Haven't really make any size or strength gains for nearly 2 years!

    Of course I've switched routines around trying to find something that will shock me out of this rut... modified everything I can think of: sets, reps, time inbetween sets, days of rest, muscle groups, movements, intensity, etc... most variations have been effective at first, until I am up to previous strength levels, then I hit a wall!

    So, here I am thinking maybe there is something I am missing? I really work my butt off at the gym, try to make every session count. Currently I'm doing the following (which is a big deviation from previous routines):

    Day 1: Deadlifts, Bent Barbell Rows, Barbell Curls. Day 2: Squats, Stiff Leg Deads, Calves. Day 3: Barbell Bench, Military Press, Close Grip Bench.

    All excercises except calves are performed 5 sets of 5.

    I have been using fitday.com to track nutrition, and I'm thinking my diet is pretty good. Been trying to keep a 40/30/30-ish split. I can eat enough (while still eating well) to gain weight, but it's never good weight!

    I think I'm ok in the rest dept, I usually get 8-9 hrs a night and don't feel tired or worn during the day.

    Maybe I'm just ranting (complaining), but I feel like I'm missing something here... fwiw I'm 26, 6', 210ish, and prob around 15%bf. If you were bored enough to read all that, any ideas?

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    Haven't really make any size or strength gains for nearly 2 years!
    Then you have essentially wasted 2 years in the gym

    Cut out the volume. Train to improve your strength. Eat better. Get your post workout nutrition in check.

    If you haven't experienced any gains in two years, you are probably in a severely overtrained state. By trying harder in this condition, you are probably hurting yourself worse..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outshine2
    If you were bored enough to read all that, any ideas?
    You just insulted me right here but alright. I think it is your diet. I bet it is that. I know you think it is fairly good but post it in the Diet forum. IMO
    Unless you have a more complicated hormonal problem.

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    I have recently been reading about HIT training. I noticed you have many links to it. Is this how you train and how effective is it.

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    It is enormously succesful. It is a difficult method because you only get to workout 3 or so times a week and there is little room for messing up, but it is a fantastic method in my opinion.

    Here is a link to my journal if you'd like to see my progress:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duncans Donuts
    ...Cut out the volume. Train to improve your strength...
    Should I be doing even less volume than the current routine I posted? It's a pretty big departure (less volume) from previous routines... btw, where in CA are ya?

    I'll take another look at my diet and post up in the diet forum. Thanx guys for the quick response.

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    Rancho Cucamonga, socal.

    In my opinion, you should do less. Other people may disagree..
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    Just keep trying different things until you find something that works. HIT seems like a great program. I've seen numerous people on IM experience excellent gains with the program. I have been doing Westside as of late, and I have noticed a lot of excellent gains myself. Other viable protocols I would suggest are HST, Max-OT, and P-RR-S.
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    I'm glad to see you are using 5x5, but I think you need some adjustments to the weight being used.

    At this point drop to 5 sets x 3 reps and increase the weight by 5lbs per week. Then when you hit another wall, 5 sets x 1 rep.

    I also see you train deadlift and squat in consecutive workouts. Even if there is one day in between, it is too close. Separate them by 2-3 days. These exercises are virtually the same.

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