Squats

min0 lee · 12-29-2004, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by largepkg

Ah Ha! So you're a man!

Never seen a big back on a woman. Look at Shutupntrain, she's getting bigger and bigger.

**P-funk** · 12-29-2004, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

pretty close: http://www.mesomorphosis.com/store/v...an-squats.html

yeah, I mean that is pretty legit in my book and it is 800lbs!! I have seen the guys from westside BB do a lot worse than that!!

**Prince** · 12-29-2004, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

Looks parallel to me. You also have to take into consideration the guy is lifting 800 pounds......damnnnn.

right, Ronnie is the biggest and strongest bodybuilder I have ever seen (saw him in person a few weeks ago), but I am not sure if it was enough to be a "legal squat" as P-funk was saying.

min0 lee · 12-29-2004, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

now this is the most impressive squatting I have ever seen, Tom Platz squats 500lbs for 23 reps breaking parallel!

http://ironmagazineforums.com/temp/Tom_Platz.wmv

The man is a pioneer in legs.

**Prince** · 12-29-2004, 12:51 PM

Tom is one of the best bodybuilders ever in my opinion, I have met him twice now, once at a show back in the late 80's and then again a year ago at the ISSA training seminar where he was our instructor for 2 days.

KarlW · 12-29-2004, 04:30 PM

There's something about not using full ROM that just doesn't seem right to me. Sure there's partials and stuff which you may use sometimes but for the majority of the time I feel uneasy about doing an exercise and stopping at some magical point that if I go beyond I will hurt myself?

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its the top of the motion which is most important and going lower is just a bit of a wasted effort

It is? Oh well then from know on I'll just move my butt down 2 inches from the top and use 800 lbs I'm sure that will be most beneficial.

Du · 12-29-2004, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by KarlW

It is? Oh well then from know on I'll just move my butt down 2 inches from the top and use 800 lbs I'm sure that will be most beneficial.

ya, thats wicked good for the low back

**Prince** · 12-29-2004, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by KarlW

There's something about not using full ROM that just doesn't seem right to me. Sure there's partials and stuff which you may use sometimes but for the majority of the time I feel uneasy about doing an exercise and stopping at some magical point that if I go beyond I will hurt myself?

Exactly, and the ironic thing about this is you only here people saying this on squats, you do not hear people saying that they do not use a full ROM on bench press, barbell curls, etc. Could it be because a full squat is just too damn hard and people do not want to do it?

**CowPimp** · 12-29-2004, 05:52 PM

Robert, what is your opinion on full squats causing rounding of the lower back?

If I seriously almost touch my ass to the floor, then it seems to cause rounding. Of course, right now I am squatting like a powerlifter, so it isn't possible to go down the far. Although, I have done plenty of full squats in the past, and probably will in the future.

KarlW · 01-10-2005, 05:22 AM

I think a lot of people think (and feel) they are going parallel but in fact fall well short. They need to look at themselves side-on in the mirror rather than front-on. I see people put on too much weight and squat halfway to parallel. I mean it looks silly.

CP I read somewhere this 'rounding' is actually rotation of the sacrum, and makes the exercise safer as far as the lower back is concerned. Frankly, I agree.

fUnc17 · 01-10-2005, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

okay, I am convinced if your "gym instructor" says so.

tell him to find me one study to prove that going below parallel is bad for your knees.

your knees were meant to bend that far, its when you bend halfway with weight on your back that you will get knee problems due to the change in momentum

**CowPimp** · 01-11-2005, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by KarlW

CP I read somewhere this 'rounding' is actually rotation of the sacrum, and makes the exercise safer as far as the lower back is concerned. Frankly, I agree.

Intersting. I'd like to hear some other's opinions on this. I'll have to look into it more.

**P-funk** · 01-11-2005, 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by KarlW

I think a lot of people think (and feel) they are going parallel but in fact fall well short. They need to look at themselves side-on in the mirror rather than front-on. I see people put on too much weight and squat halfway to parallel. I mean it looks silly.

CP I read somewhere this 'rounding' is actually rotation of the sacrum, and makes the exercise safer as far as the lower back is concerned. Frankly, I agree.

I don't agree. That rounding creates a stretching of the tendons over the lumbar vertabrae, primarily L4 and L5. A tendon never regains elasticiy, like a muscle does, once it is stretched. This slack in the tendon back there and contiuos rounding can lead to a herniation of those 2 disks, or a bulging disk, slipped disk, etc....basically, a real bad injury.

However, if you are strong in this ROM then go for it. You need to train your body to be strong in this full ROM otherwise bad things can happen. And ever still, bad things can happen.

KarlW · 01-11-2005, 06:29 AM

Patrick does normal static stretching cause stretching of the tendons?

westb51 · 01-11-2005, 10:07 AM

quick question is that rounding the back ass in, or ass out?

**P-funk** · 01-11-2005, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by KarlW

Patrick does normal static stretching cause stretching of the tendons?

the biggest problem i see with static stretching is that you never know if you are stretching the muscle or the tendon. But to answer you question.....yes. Look at a ballet dancer who is hyper flexable. Those women have terrible hip problems later in life. Once a joint because hyper mobile it is succeptable to all kinds of injuries. I mean, for someone like me who is incredibly tight it wont kill me to stretch out once in awhile. you need to find a nice balance between to tight and to fleable. Some tightness around the joint is needed to protect injury and keep you locked in so to speak.

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KarlW My Little Man Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sydney Oz Posts: 1,030	I think a lot of people think (and feel) they are going parallel but in fact fall well short. They need to look at themselves side-on in the mirror rather than front-on. I see people put on too much weight and squat halfway to parallel. I mean it looks silly. CP I read somewhere this 'rounding' is actually rotation of the sacrum, and makes the exercise safer as far as the lower back is concerned. Frankly, I agree.
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KarlW My Little Man Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sydney Oz Posts: 1,030	Patrick does normal static stretching cause stretching of the tendons?
	What this means is that when we drop a ball and it falls to the ground, it wasn't the ball that moved (down to the ground), but the ground that moved (up to the ball)

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