Help Needed

Skyliner · 06-12-2001, 09:58 PM

Can someone please tell me what is the best and most appropriate exercise I should do for the following departments...

- Lower Chest (is it important to train this anyway?)
- Lower Abs
- Lower Oblique

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TheSupremeBeing · 06-12-2001, 10:33 PM

Decline bench, weighted crunches, and side bends.

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<FONT COLOR="#000002" SIZE="1" FACE="Verdana, Arial">[Edited 1 time by Large And In Charge on 06-13-2001 at 06:29 AM]</font>

Large And In Charge · 06-13-2001, 05:37 AM

Lower chest = Dips if you can do them and if not decline press with the dumbbells and press directly over your lower chest with your abs tight.
Low Abs = Leg raises
Oblique = Side bends

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ZONE · 06-13-2001, 07:07 AM

What else is there to say? I wouldn't worry to much about your lower chest though.. just do Flat Bench and your whole chest will grow.

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**Prince** · 06-19-2001, 07:39 AM

I don't use decline presses, flat and incline.

TheSupremeBeing, I thought you said it's impossible to isolate one area of the pecs? Did you change your opinion on this, or did I misunderstand you?

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TheSupremeBeing · 06-19-2001, 03:30 PM

What do you mean, the declines?

I recommended declines because they are the best chest press, so they will make the whole chest grow the most, and consequently the "lower" chest will grow the most. I would have actually recommended cable cross-overs, but I'm sure he would have got the wrong idea.

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**Prince** · 06-19-2001, 03:39 PM

I see.

I thought you were saying that declines are used to isolate the lower chest. Since the original question was what exercise is best for the lower chest, and you answered decline presses.

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MightyKing · 06-19-2001, 08:26 PM

Prince I was gonna say the same damn thing

Haha, Being is stupid!

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TheSupremeBeing · 06-19-2001, 08:31 PM

...That coming from a kid that writes on his sidewalk with chalk.

BTW, I actually had "enough with this fookin muscle shaping BS" in that post to begin with, but big bad Large-n-Charge edited it out.

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MightyKing · 06-19-2001, 09:07 PM

I didn't write it you mofo.

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"The Greatest Mistake You Can Ever Make Is Continually Fearing That You Will Make One"
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TheSupremeBeing · 06-19-2001, 09:11 PM

Suuure you didn't...

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Blastman · 06-20-2001, 06:00 AM

For lower oblique, I prefer to perform side bends using a really heavy dumbbell until there is this big stretch. Usually I will feel rather sore in my oblique courtesy of the aforemention sidebend, but that's the whole point.

As far as lower Abs goes, I like to superset Knee Tucks with deline leg raises. Remember to squueze your abs as hard as possible to ge a better 'burn'. I believe it will be even more effective to do ab training after Cardio.

ballast · 07-06-2001, 12:57 PM

I agree about the dips being about the best chest exercise.They work great for low reps and heavy weight if you have healthy shoulders.

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ALBOB · 07-06-2001, 11:30 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Large And In Charge:
Lower chest = Dips if you can do them

Do dips even if you can't do them. Sound strange? Given a choice between bodyweighted exercises and those using a bar you should ALMOST always chose the bodyweight exercise, even if you need to strap on extra iron. In the case of dips, if you can do even one with your body weight, start at the top and do negatives. Your strength will explode. Dips are about the best pec exercise know to man. (If done properly, of course.)

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06-12-2001, 10:33 PM	#2
TheSupremeBeing Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Chillin' in mah cribb, yo. Posts: 598	Decline bench, weighted crunches, and side bends. ------------------ Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers. <FONT COLOR="#000002" SIZE="1" FACE="Verdana, Arial">[Edited 1 time by Large And In Charge on 06-13-2001 at 06:29 AM]</font>

06-13-2001, 05:37 AM	#3
Large And In Charge Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 355	Lower chest = Dips if you can do them and if not decline press with the dumbbells and press directly over your lower chest with your abs tight. Low Abs = Leg raises Oblique = Side bends ------------------ If you build it they will come

06-13-2001, 07:07 AM	#4
ZONE Registered User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bristow, VA, USA Posts: 184	What else is there to say? I wouldn't worry to much about your lower chest though.. just do Flat Bench and your whole chest will grow. ------------------ Thoughts are more powerful then Matter

06-19-2001, 07:39 AM	#5
Prince IronMagLabs Owner Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 37,404 Photos: 356	I don't use decline presses, flat and incline. TheSupremeBeing, I thought you said it's impossible to isolate one area of the pecs? Did you change your opinion on this, or did I misunderstand you? ------------------ Just because the majority believes it, does not make it true!

06-19-2001, 03:30 PM	#6
TheSupremeBeing Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Chillin' in mah cribb, yo. Posts: 598	What do you mean, the declines? I recommended declines because they are the best chest press, so they will make the whole chest grow the most, and consequently the "lower" chest will grow the most. I would have actually recommended cable cross-overs, but I'm sure he would have got the wrong idea. ------------------ Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers.

06-19-2001, 03:39 PM	#7
Prince IronMagLabs Owner Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 37,404 Photos: 356	I see. I thought you were saying that declines are used to isolate the lower chest. Since the original question was what exercise is best for the lower chest, and you answered decline presses. ------------------ Just because the majority believes it, does not make it true!

06-19-2001, 08:26 PM	#8
MightyKing Registered User Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: North Bend, WA, USA Posts: 101	Prince I was gonna say the same damn thing Haha, Being is stupid! ------------------ "The Greatest Mistake You Can Ever Make Is Continually Fearing That You Will Make One" -Elbert Hubbard

06-19-2001, 08:31 PM	#9
TheSupremeBeing Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Chillin' in mah cribb, yo. Posts: 598	...That coming from a kid that writes on his sidewalk with chalk. BTW, I actually had "enough with this fookin muscle shaping BS" in that post to begin with, but big bad Large-n-Charge edited it out. ------------------ Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers.

06-19-2001, 09:07 PM	#10
MightyKing Registered User Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: North Bend, WA, USA Posts: 101	I didn't write it you mofo. ------------------ "The Greatest Mistake You Can Ever Make Is Continually Fearing That You Will Make One" -Elbert Hubbard

06-19-2001, 09:11 PM	#11
TheSupremeBeing Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Chillin' in mah cribb, yo. Posts: 598	Suuure you didn't... ------------------ Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers.

06-20-2001, 06:00 AM	#12
Blastman Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 12	For lower oblique, I prefer to perform side bends using a really heavy dumbbell until there is this big stretch. Usually I will feel rather sore in my oblique courtesy of the aforemention sidebend, but that's the whole point. As far as lower Abs goes, I like to superset Knee Tucks with deline leg raises. Remember to squueze your abs as hard as possible to ge a better 'burn'. I believe it will be even more effective to do ab training after Cardio.

07-06-2001, 12:57 PM	#13
ballast Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kalamazoo,MI USA Posts: 350	I agree about the dips being about the best chest exercise.They work great for low reps and heavy weight if you have healthy shoulders. ------------------ "I'm just here to kick a$$, sleep till noon"

07-06-2001, 11:30 PM	#14
ALBOB IDIOT SAVANT Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: An alternate reality. Posts: 10,385	[quote]Originally posted by Large And In Charge: Lower chest = Dips if you can do them Do dips even if you can't do them. Sound strange? Given a choice between bodyweighted exercises and those using a bar you should ALMOST always chose the bodyweight exercise, even if you need to strap on extra iron. In the case of dips, if you can do even one with your body weight, start at the top and do negatives. Your strength will explode. Dips are about the best pec exercise know to man. (If done properly, of course.) ------------------ Life is hard so quit whining and go out there and be alive.