KarlW

During the negative (ie on the way down) do you:

1. Have total control of the bar all the way down, whereby your whole body (particularly the back of course) is under tension, and you let the weights just touch the floor then begin the next rep.

2. Have little control of the bar on the way down, and although holding onto it and guiding it's path, vitrually let it fall to the ground with a thud.

I've always been '1' but have seen people doing '2'. Is there anything to gain by NOT doing the negative?

What this means is that when we drop a ball and it falls to the ground, it wasn't the ball that moved (down to the ground), but the ground that moved (up to the ball)

CowPimp

Yes, the amount of weight you can use. If you increase the time under tension, then you have to reduce the tension. When doing a big compoud lift like the deadlift that has so much potential to increase overall body strength, I definitely like to make sure I'm using as much resistance as possible.

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Duncans Donuts

When I do reps, I never let go of the weight, I hold it the entire time. I either let contact with the ground for less than a second, or pause an inch above the ground and raise the weight back up.

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Twigz

I do #1. IMO negatives have a good effect also. Unless I would be training for a compitition. Then I would train as the comp. is. Lift - Drop

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sgtneo

I do the same never just let the weghts drop to the floor no matter what excersise im doing i allways try to put the weights back in a controlled motion

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P-funk

I do #2. A controled drop.

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min0 lee

Number 1 for me.

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P, do you do it this way for a particular reason? I thought the negative of any lift is extremely important. I'm not questioning your methods. I'm just curious to learn what the experienced guys are doing.

sabre81

number 1 i guess. Although my weights never touch the floor. I use the raised deadlift flatform at my gym.

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sgtneo

i suppose the more weight you begin to dead lift the more strain it puts on yur back to get it back down so a controlled drop would be easier

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tenxyearsxgone

deadlift is for overall strength and power...it isn't a staple in bodybuilding regiments...its not supposed to be used to build bigger muscles just strengthen your legs, back, lats, arms, traps etc... do it heavy and do it as quick as possible, if you exaggerate the motion you'll get hurt, if you are doing sets of 10 as your working sets then you are missing the point...work up to 5's, 4's, 3's etc

Squat: 5x5: 295lbs
Bench: 1x4: 275
Dead: 1x1: 475

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P-funk

If I am doing low reps, 4 or lower (90-95% of my 1RM) then there is no way I can do a negative with that weight. In competition lifters do a controled drop for a reason. There isn't supposed to be a slow controlled negative there. If i am doing a set of 20rep deadlifts I, like duncandonuts, will hold the bar the whole way through.

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largepkg

That's what I figured.

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I second that DD!

tenxyearsxgone

What does a set of 20 or 15 or 10 reps do for you when doing deadlifts are you working muscular endurance...what? introduce me to a powerlifter that does deadlifts in those rep ranges and i'll show you a weak powerlifter

Squat: 5x5: 295lbs
Bench: 1x4: 275
Dead: 1x1: 475

tenxyearsxgone

If anything i can see doing SLDL's in such a high rep manner to hypertrophy the hamstrings ... so WTF to you

Squat: 5x5: 295lbs
Bench: 1x4: 275
Dead: 1x1: 475

Duncans Donuts

What are you talking about?

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Duncans Donuts

Elaborate? What exactly do you think induces hypertrophy, because you are confusing me...

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Duncans Donuts

Pardon me, but you seem to be of the narrow mindset that a powerlifter must adhere to your principles and not branch out as an exception (in contrast to the rule). There is nothing wrong with tossing in a high rep deadlift set once in a while, which seems to be what he was referring to, instead of training the same way over and over.

Show me a powerlifter who is intelligent with his modification, and I'll show you a succesful powerlifter.

Also, I'm curious as to why deadlifts are good for training strength but not for inducing hypertrophy? And why deadlifts are not the staple of a bodybuilder's routine, even though past greats like Mentzer, Olivia, Arnold, and big Ronnie Coleman do them (among others)?

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Chill out ten! If someone questions what your saying (and they definately have a right too) that doesn't mean you should get an attitude dude. Real quick way to lose friends around here.

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P-funk

actaully Dr. Ken Leistner trained one of my buddies for some meets and he frequently would have him doing 20 rep sets of deadlifts.

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I still don't understand why deadlifts aren't good for hypertrophy... I totally disagree. Squats and deadlifts may be the two best exercises in terms of gaining muscle mass. They produce a great hormonal response, which is key to inducing hypertrophy. Not to mention they work a very large number of muscles...

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i don;'t understand either?

I do high rep deadlifts and SLDL's all the time adn I still grow??

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