Thread: Deadlifts

Originally Posted by KarlW

I've always been '1' but have seen people doing '2'. Is there anything to gain by NOT doing the negative?

Yes, the amount of weight you can use. If you increase the time under tension, then you have to reduce the tension. When doing a big compoud lift like the deadlift that has so much potential to increase overall body strength, I definitely like to make sure I'm using as much resistance as possible.

When I do reps, I never let go of the weight, I hold it the entire time. I either let contact with the ground for less than a second, or pause an inch above the ground and raise the weight back up.

I do #1. IMO negatives have a good effect also. Unless I would be training for a compitition. Then I would train as the comp. is. Lift - Drop

Originally Posted by Duncans Donuts

When I do reps, I never let go of the weight, I hold it the entire time. I either let contact with the ground for less than a second, or pause an inch above the ground and raise the weight back up.

I do the same never just let the weghts drop to the floor no matter what excersise im doing i allways try to put the weights back in a controlled motion

Neo

I do #2. A controled drop.

Number 1 for me.

Originally Posted by P-funk

I do #2. A controled drop.

P, do you do it this way for a particular reason? I thought the negative of any lift is extremely important. I'm not questioning your methods. I'm just curious to learn what the experienced guys are doing.

number 1 i guess. Although my weights never touch the floor. I use the raised deadlift flatform at my gym.

Originally Posted by Duncans Donuts

When I do reps, I never let go of the weight, I hold it the entire time. I either let contact with the ground for less than a second, or pause an inch above the ground and raise the weight back up.

Same here!!!

Originally Posted by largepkg

P, do you do it this way for a particular reason? I thought the negative of any lift is extremely important. I'm not questioning your methods. I'm just curious to learn what the experienced guys are doing.

i suppose the more weight you begin to dead lift the more strain it puts on yur back to get it back down so a controlled drop would be easier

Neo

deadlift is for overall strength and power...it isn't a staple in bodybuilding regiments...its not supposed to be used to build bigger muscles just strengthen your legs, back, lats, arms, traps etc... do it heavy and do it as quick as possible, if you exaggerate the motion you'll get hurt, if you are doing sets of 10 as your working sets then you are missing the point...work up to 5's, 4's, 3's etc

deadlift is for overall strength and power...it isn't a staple in bodybuilding regiments...its not supposed to be used to build bigger muscles just strengthen your legs, back, lats, arms, traps etc

Originally Posted by largepkg

P, do you do it this way for a particular reason? I thought the negative of any lift is extremely important. I'm not questioning your methods. I'm just curious to learn what the experienced guys are doing.

If I am doing low reps, 4 or lower (90-95% of my 1RM) then there is no way I can do a negative with that weight. In competition lifters do a controled drop for a reason. There isn't supposed to be a slow controlled negative there. If i am doing a set of 20rep deadlifts I, like duncandonuts, will hold the bar the whole way through.

That's what I figured.

Originally Posted by tenxyearsxgone

deadlift is for overall strength and power...it isn't a staple in bodybuilding regiments...its not supposed to be used to build bigger muscles just strengthen your legs, back, lats, arms, traps etc... do it heavy and do it as quick as possible, if you exaggerate the motion you'll get hurt, if you are doing sets of 10 as your working sets then you are missing the point...work up to 5's, 4's, 3's etc

I second that DD!

What does a set of 20 or 15 or 10 reps do for you when doing deadlifts are you working muscular endurance...what? introduce me to a powerlifter that does deadlifts in those rep ranges and i'll show you a weak powerlifter

If anything i can see doing SLDL's in such a high rep manner to hypertrophy the hamstrings ... so WTF to you

What are you talking about?

If anything i can see doing SLDL's in such a high rep manner to hypertrophy the hamstrings

Elaborate? What exactly do you think induces hypertrophy, because you are confusing me...

What does a set of 20 or 15 or 10 reps do for you when doing deadlifts are you working muscular endurance...what? introduce me to a powerlifter that does deadlifts in those rep ranges and i'll show you a weak powerlifter

Pardon me, but you seem to be of the narrow mindset that a powerlifter must adhere to your principles and not branch out as an exception (in contrast to the rule). There is nothing wrong with tossing in a high rep deadlift set once in a while, which seems to be what he was referring to, instead of training the same way over and over.

Show me a powerlifter who is intelligent with his modification, and I'll show you a succesful powerlifter.

Also, I'm curious as to why deadlifts are good for training strength but not for inducing hypertrophy? And why deadlifts are not the staple of a bodybuilder's routine, even though past greats like Mentzer, Olivia, Arnold, and big Ronnie Coleman do them (among others)?

Originally Posted by tenxyearsxgone

If anything i can see doing SLDL's in such a high rep manner to hypertrophy the hamstrings ... so WTF to you

Chill out ten! If someone questions what your saying (and they definately have a right too) that doesn't mean you should get an attitude dude. Real quick way to lose friends around here.

Originally Posted by tenxyearsxgone

What does a set of 20 or 15 or 10 reps do for you when doing deadlifts are you working muscular endurance...what? introduce me to a powerlifter that does deadlifts in those rep ranges and i'll show you a weak powerlifter

actaully Dr. Ken Leistner trained one of my buddies for some meets and he frequently would have him doing 20 rep sets of deadlifts.

I still don't understand why deadlifts aren't good for hypertrophy... I totally disagree. Squats and deadlifts may be the two best exercises in terms of gaining muscle mass. They produce a great hormonal response, which is key to inducing hypertrophy. Not to mention they work a very large number of muscles...