deadlifts....low reps or high reps?

rangers97 · 01-13-2005, 08:37 AM

that is the question...you kow like a lot of people do 15-20 rep squats, should you do the same with deadlifts, or is it entirely different?

crazy_enough · 01-13-2005, 08:45 AM

I go super heavy low rep(8) on deads....but thats just me!

**P-funk** · 01-13-2005, 08:48 AM

**gopro** · 01-13-2005, 09:02 AM

Depends on your purpose for doing them.

BigDyl · 01-13-2005, 09:07 AM

Low weight, Low reps.

rangers97 · 01-13-2005, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by gopro

Depends on your purpose for doing them.

What do you mean by that???

**P-funk** · 01-13-2005, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by rangers97

What do you mean by that???

strength (low reps)
endurance (high reps)
power/speed (low reps/low intensity)
hypertrophy (6-12 reps)

etc...

rangers97 · 01-13-2005, 10:31 AM

i know the rep ranges for those specific goals, I was refering to the deadlift alone....do you really want hypertrophy in the lower back area from doing deadlifts???

I was thinking more along the lines of will doing DLs in a higher rep range be more beneficial to your lower back "health" in the long run than using a heavier weight with lower reps....?

Rocco32 · 01-13-2005, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by rangers97

i know the rep ranges for those specific goals, I was refering to the deadlift alone....do you really want hypertrophy in the lower back area from doing deadlifts???

I was thinking more along the lines of will doing DLs in a higher rep range be more beneficial to your lower back "health" in the long run than using a heavier weight with lower reps....?

The Dead works a hell of a lot more than your "lower back".

crazy_enough · 01-13-2005, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by rangers97

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I was thinking more along the lines of will doing DLs in a higher rep range be more beneficial to your lower back "health" in the long run than using a heavier weight with lower reps....?

U know what, I never thought of it from that "back health on the long run" perspective....hum....

Makes me wonder....

**P-funk** · 01-13-2005, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by rangers97

I was thinking more along the lines of will doing DLs in a higher rep range be more beneficial to your lower back "health" in the long run than using a heavier weight with lower reps....?

Well, if that is the case then why ever lift heavy?? Benching lighter with higher reps will be more beneficial to your chest and shoulder health in the long run as there would be less of a risk of tearing a pec or a rotator cuff than if you were trying to hit a single. But we still do it.

rangers97 · 01-13-2005, 11:01 AM

i always assume that the lower back is the one area you dont want to mess around with...sure we lift heavy on everything, but how many people out there have chronic back pain/injuries as opposed to a torn pec muscle, or a strained shoulder. Once you screw up your back, aren't you done pretty much for the rest of your life with the back pain?

Johnnny · 01-13-2005, 11:07 AM

Dead lifts work just about every muscle, shoulders, bi's/tri's, legs, upper back, chest & traps.

They are great for overall mass & strength.

So it really does depend on what your goals are in regards to the purpose of doing dead lifts.

Once you figure that out, than you can determine how many reps you use.

Since I normally train for size & strength, I usually do 4-6 reps on my first set, & I gradually decrease the weight & increase the reps to get the full burn.

I do this for just about all exercises as well.

**P-funk** · 01-13-2005, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by rangers97

i always assume that the lower back is the one area you dont want to mess around with...sure we lift heavy on everything, but how many people out there have chronic back pain/injuries as opposed to a torn pec muscle, or a strained shoulder. Once you screw up your back, aren't you done pretty much for the rest of your life with the back pain?

Most people have chronic back pain because they lead a sedentary life and never strengthen or exercise that part of their body. Most peoples backs are messed up from not working them at all and then trying to lift something heavy (like when you move to a new house or shovel snow). Use your head when you lift and mind your form and you should be okay.

rangers97 · 01-13-2005, 11:13 AM

then how does one safely progress in the deadlift without hurting their back? I admit that I never did DLs until late last year, no reason why, just never did it, and I have worked myself up to 235lbs for about 5 reps. But the next day my back KILLS me, I can't imagine how people do 300, 400 and 500 lb deadlifts without breaking their backs. I believe I use very good form, if I dont then I wish someone in my gym would tell me, but man, it is a dangerous exercise

**P-funk** · 01-13-2005, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by rangers97

then how does one safely progress in the deadlift without hurting their back? I admit that I never did DLs until late last year, no reason why, just never did it, and I have worked myself up to 235lbs for about 5 reps. But the next day my back KILLS me, I can't imagine how people do 300, 400 and 500 lb deadlifts without breaking their backs. I believe I use very good form, if I dont then I wish someone in my gym would tell me, but man, it is a dangerous exercise

What do you mean kills you? Sometimes my back gets pumped and sore like any other muscle. But it shouldn't kill you!! Maybe your form is bad. You think it is good?? Ask someone you trust to check your form How do you progress?? The same way you do on anyother exercise. You did 235/5. Next time try 245/2-3. The week after that 245/3-5. Progress as slow as you want.

rangers97 · 01-13-2005, 11:19 AM

ok maybe because I am a rookie to lower back exercising, I almost can't tell the difference between lower back "pain" and lower back muscle soreness....sounds weird I know, but I almost don't know if I got good pain or bad pain

vellanator · 01-13-2005, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by P-funk

What do you mean kills you? Sometimes my back gets pumped and sore like any other muscle. But it shouldn't kill you!! Maybe your form is bad. You think it is good?? Ask someone you trust to check your form How do you progress?? The same way you do on anyother exercise. You did 235/5. Next time try 245/2-3. The week after that 245/3-5. Progress as slow as you want.

Form is crucial on these. I did a search on the web for pictures that showed proper form before even attempting.

There was a guy in the gym yesterday who was "deadlifting". He was essentially doing a good morning excercise with 225. NO leg movement / flexing at all. I was going to say something, but you never know how people will react.

**P-funk** · 01-13-2005, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by vellanator

Form is crucial on these. I did a search on the web for pictures that showed proper form before even attempting.

There was a guy in the gym yesterday who was "deadlifting". He was essentially doing a good morning excercise with 225. NO leg movement / flexing at all. I was going to say something, but you never know how people will react.

a good morning looks like a deadlift (a romanian deadlift) just with the weight on your back.

Rocco32 · 01-13-2005, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by P-funk

a good morning looks like a deadlift (a romanian deadlift) just with the weight on your back.

crazy_enough · 01-13-2005, 11:40 AM

I dont do my DL's straight legged....

rangers97 · 01-13-2005, 11:41 AM

I too have made sure to check for proper form....I make sure that I NEVER pull up with just my back, I usually do them sumo style because it is more comfortable for me, and I usually get down there really low in the crouch and then come up with my back in the same position it was when I bent down and then just straighten it out at the top of the movement. All I know is that I try to keep my back as straight as possible the whole time, thats how I do them. Maybe I need to push "down" more with my legs when I drive the weight up, but to my knowledge, I am confident I do them fairly correct.

Anyway, maybe it is muscle soreness, I did do a personal record yesterday and also have been using a new routine every day so it seems for the past couple of weeks so I may have over did the deadlifts a bit during that time, but I think I am set on a routine now and I wont do DLs again for another 2 weeks, so we'll see how it responds to the rest when I do them again

shark taco · 01-13-2005, 12:21 PM

I agree with "Johnny" - I start with higher weight at 6-8 reps. When I start to get tired I burn two sets in the 8-12 rep range. I warm up with with 10 reps at 135, do a second set at 225 with 10 reps, do sets 3 and 4 at 305ish (depending on intensity) with 6-8 reps...depending on form...if that particular day my form sucks due to being tired I go with 6 reps or else if I'm feeling pumped I go 8 reps. Then I lower the weight and do sets 5 and 6 at 8-10 reps.

I look at deadlifting as the #1 must-do exercise in the gym. As well as, the #1 exercise if you want to throw someone around in a street fight. I use wrist straps - but I'm anti-weight belt. I believe that if your body can't handle the weight, don't lift it. The belts give you a false sense of security. If your back hurts, your form is wrong. Your back should be pumped and sore - different feeling than hurt.

Another idea is that maybe your back is mis-aligned - if you're serious about powerlifting I suggest seeing a chiropractor to make sure your bones are properly aligned before adding a lot of weight.

shark taco · 01-13-2005, 12:24 PM

for the proper form - try "tracing" the bar to the body. when you lift up keep the bar as close to your legs and body as possible and trace or outline the contours of your body. Look up to get that curve in your back - when in the up position I like to hold it for a 3 count to get that added flex in the shoulders, arms, and chest.

Sacto95827 · 01-13-2005, 12:42 PM

So since deadlifts work various parts of the body, which day do you throw them in on?

**gopro** · 01-13-2005, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by rangers97

i know the rep ranges for those specific goals, I was refering to the deadlift alone....do you really want hypertrophy in the lower back area from doing deadlifts???

I was thinking more along the lines of will doing DLs in a higher rep range be more beneficial to your lower back "health" in the long run than using a heavier weight with lower reps....?

If we are talking about lower back health, then I would look to work with moderately heavy weights in the 10-15 rep range. This would be enough weight to strengthen the lumbars and surrounding tissues, without overstressing the back.

Cold Iron · 01-13-2005, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Sacto95827

So since deadlifts work various parts of the body, which day do you throw them in on?

Back or Leg

It SLDL's on leg and all the others on back day

and for the original question....i dont like going over sets of 5 for deads and actually prefer singles and doubles. Im going to try lightening the load and going higher reps in the near future though....my lower back needs some rehab

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01-13-2005, 08:37 AM	#1
rangers97 2006 Stanley Cup Champs! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: New York Posts: 245	deadlifts....low reps or high reps? that is the question...you kow like a lot of people do 15-20 rep squats, should you do the same with deadlifts, or is it entirely different?

01-13-2005, 10:31 AM	#8
rangers97 2006 Stanley Cup Champs! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: New York Posts: 245	i know the rep ranges for those specific goals, I was refering to the deadlift alone....do you really want hypertrophy in the lower back area from doing deadlifts??? I was thinking more along the lines of will doing DLs in a higher rep range be more beneficial to your lower back "health" in the long run than using a heavier weight with lower reps....?

01-13-2005, 11:01 AM	#12
rangers97 2006 Stanley Cup Champs! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: New York Posts: 245	i always assume that the lower back is the one area you dont want to mess around with...sure we lift heavy on everything, but how many people out there have chronic back pain/injuries as opposed to a torn pec muscle, or a strained shoulder. Once you screw up your back, aren't you done pretty much for the rest of your life with the back pain?

01-13-2005, 11:07 AM	#13
Johnnny Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,844	Dead lifts work just about every muscle, shoulders, bi's/tri's, legs, upper back, chest & traps. They are great for overall mass & strength. So it really does depend on what your goals are in regards to the purpose of doing dead lifts. Once you figure that out, than you can determine how many reps you use. Since I normally train for size & strength, I usually do 4-6 reps on my first set, & I gradually decrease the weight & increase the reps to get the full burn. I do this for just about all exercises as well.

01-13-2005, 11:13 AM	#15
rangers97 2006 Stanley Cup Champs! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: New York Posts: 245	then how does one safely progress in the deadlift without hurting their back? I admit that I never did DLs until late last year, no reason why, just never did it, and I have worked myself up to 235lbs for about 5 reps. But the next day my back KILLS me, I can't imagine how people do 300, 400 and 500 lb deadlifts without breaking their backs. I believe I use very good form, if I dont then I wish someone in my gym would tell me, but man, it is a dangerous exercise

01-13-2005, 11:19 AM	#17
rangers97 2006 Stanley Cup Champs! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: New York Posts: 245	ok maybe because I am a rookie to lower back exercising, I almost can't tell the difference between lower back "pain" and lower back muscle soreness....sounds weird I know, but I almost don't know if I got good pain or bad pain

01-13-2005, 11:41 AM	#22
rangers97 2006 Stanley Cup Champs! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: New York Posts: 245	I too have made sure to check for proper form....I make sure that I NEVER pull up with just my back, I usually do them sumo style because it is more comfortable for me, and I usually get down there really low in the crouch and then come up with my back in the same position it was when I bent down and then just straighten it out at the top of the movement. All I know is that I try to keep my back as straight as possible the whole time, thats how I do them. Maybe I need to push "down" more with my legs when I drive the weight up, but to my knowledge, I am confident I do them fairly correct. Anyway, maybe it is muscle soreness, I did do a personal record yesterday and also have been using a new routine every day so it seems for the past couple of weeks so I may have over did the deadlifts a bit during that time, but I think I am set on a routine now and I wont do DLs again for another 2 weeks, so we'll see how it responds to the rest when I do them again

01-13-2005, 12:21 PM	#23
shark taco Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Illinois Posts: 10	I agree with "Johnny" - I start with higher weight at 6-8 reps. When I start to get tired I burn two sets in the 8-12 rep range. I warm up with with 10 reps at 135, do a second set at 225 with 10 reps, do sets 3 and 4 at 305ish (depending on intensity) with 6-8 reps...depending on form...if that particular day my form sucks due to being tired I go with 6 reps or else if I'm feeling pumped I go 8 reps. Then I lower the weight and do sets 5 and 6 at 8-10 reps. I look at deadlifting as the #1 must-do exercise in the gym. As well as, the #1 exercise if you want to throw someone around in a street fight. I use wrist straps - but I'm anti-weight belt. I believe that if your body can't handle the weight, don't lift it. The belts give you a false sense of security. If your back hurts, your form is wrong. Your back should be pumped and sore - different feeling than hurt. Another idea is that maybe your back is mis-aligned - if you're serious about powerlifting I suggest seeing a chiropractor to make sure your bones are properly aligned before adding a lot of weight.

01-13-2005, 12:24 PM	#24
shark taco Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Illinois Posts: 10	for the proper form - try "tracing" the bar to the body. when you lift up keep the bar as close to your legs and body as possible and trace or outline the contours of your body. Look up to get that curve in your back - when in the up position I like to hold it for a 3 count to get that added flex in the shoulders, arms, and chest.

01-13-2005, 12:42 PM	#25
Sacto95827 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 116 Photos: 2	So since deadlifts work various parts of the body, which day do you throw them in on?