Heavy Weights compromising Form

j rizz · 01-15-2005, 01:06 PM

do any of you have the problem that heavy weights mess with your form.
im starting to lift with a 6-6-4 style with alot of my lifts. I use low volume. for example
bi's
preacher 6-6-4
DB curl 6-6-4
concentration curl 6-6-4
hammer curl 6-6-4
and sometimes..
BB curl 6-6-4

im worried that using heavy wieghts is compromising my form and that if i drop the wieght a little that my form improves, butit doesnt feel like much of a workout.
after my workouts of doing sets til failure with the workout of above, it doesnt feel like i got much of a workout. the only time it feels like i got a good workout is when i do sets of reps of 8-6 with the workout of above. but im trying to put on mass.
like wtf?? anyone else have this problem.

**P-funk** · 01-15-2005, 03:09 PM

if your form is failing then the weight is TO heavy! Form is paramount over everything else. Dorp the weight and work on it.

phantom939 · 01-15-2005, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P-funk

if your form is failing then the weight is TO heavy! Form is paramount over everything else. Dorp the weight and work on it.

i agree entirely

Egoatdoor · 01-15-2005, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by j rizz

anyone else have this problem.

Yes, which is why I train in the 8-10 rep range now. Anything lower than 8, the weights were too heavy which both compromised form and put too much emphasis on the assisting muscles and the joints.

j rizz · 01-15-2005, 08:30 PM

but will the 6-8 rep range be as effective if not better at putting more mass on myself.

ChrisROCK · 01-15-2005, 09:38 PM

Bottom line...never compromise strict form!

**CowPimp** · 01-15-2005, 11:53 PM

Using poor form is a good way to injure yourself on a lot of exercises. You won't see using anything but textbook form when doing the bench press, good mornings, squats, deadlifts, etc. However, when I do upright rows, I put my back into a little bit. I don't look like a fish out of water, but I certainly don't keep my torso still. I do the same for bent rows.

Flex · 01-16-2005, 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P-funk

if your form is failing then the weight is TO heavy! Form is paramount over everything else. Dorp the weight and work on it.

95% of all the people i've ever seen in a gym need to learn this.

min0 lee · 01-16-2005, 09:29 AM

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Cheating is the condition where strict form is ignored in order to get a few additional reps out of a set. Examples of cheating would be forcibly swinging the upper body to help complete a standing bicep curl movement. Cheating is not generally recommended, but in the absence of a spotter and with a smaller body part like the biceps, it can sometimes let you push yourself further.

The only time I cheat is when I need to get one last rep done.

min0 lee · 01-16-2005, 09:35 AM

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Strict form means you are performing a given exercise properly, with your body in the safest and most efficient positions throughout the complete range of movement for the exercise. Strict form is an important requirement for getting the best benefits from bodybuilding workouts without excessive risk of injury. It is important to learn proper form for each bodybuilding exercise from the very beginning, and to keep learning how to maintain that form as you increase the weight you are lifting. Sloppy or bad form is dangerous and can lead to serious injury at worst, and at best merely robs your workouts of effectiveness.

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westb51 · 01-17-2005, 08:46 AM

never sacrifice perfect form for poundage

camarosuper6 · 01-17-2005, 11:25 PM

PERFECT form can be dangerous.... natural range of motion is a better term

westb51 · 01-18-2005, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by camarosuper6

PERFECT form can be dangerous

how so?

min0 lee · 01-18-2005, 11:46 AM

It's hard to explain on my behalf but I do know what he means.

vellanator · 01-18-2005, 11:54 AM

If you're sacrificing intensity to keep perfect form, it might be worth it to loosen up a little. Just don't go overboard (like swinging your torso 6 inches to rep out some curls).

Flex · 01-18-2005, 11:57 AM

westb- slipknot, huh?

get that gospel music outta here.

**Mudge** · 01-18-2005, 12:07 PM

If you are cheating to get the weight up constantly then you are going heavier than you can properly perform the lift.

westb51 · 01-18-2005, 01:24 PM

"never sacrifice perfect form for poundage" is a quote i got out of flex or some other mag a while back. i try to implement it in to my training.

slipknot and lamb of god, march 26 houston tx. sh*t yeah i'll be there

DAcre · 01-18-2005, 01:35 PM

I try to do 4 sets of 8 per exercise and increase the weight from the beginning so that on the last 2 sets i can really feel it, can feel it the next day too

j rizz · 01-18-2005, 09:16 PM

ill try it..
but when i say compromise form.. im talking strict form, not leaning over til my head lowers past my waist so i can curl a barbell.

**CowPimp** · 01-18-2005, 09:25 PM

Just so you know, 12-15 sets for your biceps is not low volume. What do you consider high volume?

**Mudge** · 01-19-2005, 10:18 AM

12-15 sets for any bodypart to me is not low volume, I have gone that high for chest some time ago and I think up to 18 sets for back but right now I can't hang with that kind of training. I hurt plenty with much less volume and heavy weights.

01-15-2005, 01:06 PM	#1
j rizz Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Cleveland Posts: 326	Heavy Weights compromising Form do any of you have the problem that heavy weights mess with your form. im starting to lift with a 6-6-4 style with alot of my lifts. I use low volume. for example bi's preacher 6-6-4 DB curl 6-6-4 concentration curl 6-6-4 hammer curl 6-6-4 and sometimes.. BB curl 6-6-4 im worried that using heavy wieghts is compromising my form and that if i drop the wieght a little that my form improves, butit doesnt feel like much of a workout. after my workouts of doing sets til failure with the workout of above, it doesnt feel like i got much of a workout. the only time it feels like i got a good workout is when i do sets of reps of 8-6 with the workout of above. but im trying to put on mass. like wtf?? anyone else have this problem.

01-15-2005, 03:09 PM	#2
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01-17-2005, 08:46 AM	#11
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01-15-2005, 08:30 PM	#5
j rizz Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Cleveland Posts: 326	but will the 6-8 rep range be as effective if not better at putting more mass on myself.

01-17-2005, 11:25 PM	#12
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01-18-2005, 11:54 AM	#15
vellanator Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 171	If you're sacrificing intensity to keep perfect form, it might be worth it to loosen up a little. Just don't go overboard (like swinging your torso 6 inches to rep out some curls).

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01-18-2005, 12:07 PM	#17
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,027 Photos: 1	If you are cheating to get the weight up constantly then you are going heavier than you can properly perform the lift.
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01-18-2005, 01:24 PM	#18
westb51 on a constant bulk Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: coming for that #1 spot Posts: 384 Photos: 4	"never sacrifice perfect form for poundage" is a quote i got out of flex or some other mag a while back. i try to implement it in to my training. slipknot and lamb of god, march 26 houston tx. sh*t yeah i'll be there
	this is now, i can't change tommrrow if i can't change today

01-18-2005, 01:35 PM	#19
DAcre I AM BIG AL! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: UK Posts: 32	I try to do 4 sets of 8 per exercise and increase the weight from the beginning so that on the last 2 sets i can really feel it, can feel it the next day too

01-18-2005, 09:16 PM	#20
j rizz Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Cleveland Posts: 326	ill try it.. but when i say compromise form.. im talking strict form, not leaning over til my head lowers past my waist so i can curl a barbell.

01-18-2005, 09:25 PM	#21
CowPimp Fueled by Testosterone Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 15,405	Just so you know, 12-15 sets for your biceps is not low volume. What do you consider high volume?
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01-19-2005, 10:18 AM	#22
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,027 Photos: 1	12-15 sets for any bodypart to me is not low volume, I have gone that high for chest some time ago and I think up to 18 sets for back but right now I can't hang with that kind of training. I hurt plenty with much less volume and heavy weights.
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