why do oldschool bbs have smaller waists?

[njc]

I must say that i feel that the bodybuilders in the "Golden age" of bodybuilding just generally look better than newer school. Especially with the smaller waists. What are the new bbs doing that is different? Is it the different sorts of drugs?

[PreMier]

GH(growth hormone). I also think its because of too much mass. I mean Ronnie has near 300lbs of LBM on a 5'10" frame.

[LAM]

only some of them had small waists many did not.

[crazy_enough]

Arnold didnt...He was a good poser..he hid it well...

[Flex]

GH(growth hormone). I also think its because of too much mass. I mean Ronnie has near 300lbs of LBM on a 5'10" frame.

those 2 reasons exactly.

GH will distend their guts, and all the water they are holding from all the different juice will also make their wastes bigger, but it's mainly cuz these guys get so freakin' big.
You gotta remember, when Arnold competed, he was "only" like 235ish. Ronnie won the Mr. O at 290 last year. When you're that heavy, not all the weight is going right to your muscles.

[PreMier]

He won at 297

Hows it goin man, still workin at the school?

[Flex]

Arnold didnt...He was a good poser..he hid it well...

Not a good waste???

Sure he had a great vacuum, but he did have a good waste. For being that freakin' big, a 34" waste is tiny.

[crazy_enough]

[QUOTE=Flex]Not a good waste??? QUOTE]

NOO! Im saying he didnt have that tiny of a waist! He always twisted his body when posign, making his waist look amazingly small!

[Flex]

He won at 297

Hows it goin man, still workin at the school?

thanks, wiseass

YAAAAAA BUDDY, things are going great, thanks for askin. How you doin', my man?
I am utterly convinced i have the greatest job in the world (besides Ron Jeremy). When i'm not b.s.'n with the kids, i'm messin' on IM or playing Solitaire. Plus now i'm doing "security" at the bball/hockey games, where i get paid $35/game to in the crowd with the kids and watch the game (plus my cousin is the star hoop player, so its even better)

[PreMier]

thanks, wiseass

YAAAAAA BUDDY, things are going great, thanks for askin. How you doin', my man?
I am utterly convinced i have the greatest job in the world (besides Ron Jeremy). When i'm not b.s.'n with the kids, i'm messin' on IM or playing Solitaire. Plus now i'm doing "security" at the bball/hockey games, where i get paid $35/game to in the crowd with the kids and watch the game (plus my cousin is the star hoop player, so its even better)

Thats awesome man. I want a job that I love too.

Things are pretty good, havent been to the gym in a while(like thats a suprise), but Im going in on Friday to get some info on a degree in health and exercise science. Will see if thats what I want to do. Im pretty excited about that.

[soxmuscle]

Flex -- Hopefully your one of the cool security guys. There is some guys who just have a complete power trip and breathalize any kid jumping around, throw kids out for swaring, and just doing all out ridiculous things.

[CowPimp]

They're jacked up on so much growth hormone that their internal organs actually "swell." Beyond that, the vaccuum pose is far less popular than it used to be.

In addition, the standards of bodybuilding have totally changed. It is now about who is the biggest, and not about the most asthetically pleasing build.

[musclepump]

Thought Arnold has a 32" waist?

[Tha Don]

Arnold didnt...He was a good poser..he hid it well...

arnold did have a very small waist, one of the best chest to waist ratios out there i bet

yes he was also an awesome poser

there are pros out there today with smaller waists, shawn ray, darren charles to some extent... but i agree the 'golden era' bodybuilders look that much better in the waist area which i felt gave them much better physiques

sergio and arnold still have to be the 2 greatest for me, its a shame that we don't see guys like that winning anymore

peace

[Mags]

sergio and arnold still have to be the 2 greatest for me, its a shame that we don't see guys like that winning anymore peace

That's spot on.
It's great to see mass monsters like Jay and Ronnie, as the general aim of BB is to get bigger than the normal human being but I think the old legends like Arnold who brought aesthectics along too are still the best. He had huge arms and chest, as opposed to just everything being huge. The taller the BB the better too. Don't get me wrong, when I stood next to Jay and Ronnie, they were huge compared to me, yet I towered above them and I'm only 6ft. You look at the likes of Arnold and Big Louie, they are what, 6.2 and 6.5, so they were tall and massive, the true Herculean figure.

At the moment, apart from looking at the likes of Jay, Ronnie and Ruhl and being amazed that human beings can actually look like that, I still prefer the likes of Dexter Jackson etc, my most impressive BB for me at the moment has got to be Victor Martinez.

Distended guts look shocking too. Suck them in guys, bring the vacuum back.

[Flex]

Thats awesome man. I want a job that I love too.

thats very important, bro. TRUST me. when i talk to my buddies and other kids i know who just got outta college and who are doin' manual labor or stuck behind a desk all day while i get to bullshit with the kids all day, i realize how lucky i am.

Things are pretty good, havent been to the gym in a while(like thats a suprise), but Im going in on Friday to get some info on a degree in health and exercise science. Will see if thats what I want to do. Im pretty excited about that.

Not been to the gym in a while??? That's blasphemy! How come, bro?

As for your degree, that's a great idea. I wish going into college i would've known what i wanted to do. If i knew then what i knew now, i'd be a teacher or have the degree you're going for.

[Flex]

Flex -- Hopefully your one of the cool security guys. There is some guys who just have a complete power trip and breathalize any kid jumping around, throw kids out for swaring, and just doing all out ridiculous things.

Well, to be honest, usually the slightest peep out of a student sets of my roid rage. So i go stand right next to them to keep them quiet, meanwhile fighting to keep from ripping their head clean off, as my rage is spinning wildly out of control. All of a sudden, my skin turns green, i become enormous and i do a front double-bi's pose into a most muscular, and all the kids shut right up haha

In all seriousness, i get along better with the kids more than probably anyone in the entire school, so when i'm at the games, i'm doing what i do during the school day, i stand there and hang out with them, only this time we're watching my cousin whoop ass or freezing our asses off in the hockey arena. I'm absolutely not on a power trip haha, and if the kids did happen to be acting like dicks, i'd just go over and talk to them, and 2 minutes later they'll be fine .

[Mudge]

NOO! Im saying he didnt have that tiny of a waist! He always twisted his body when posign, making his waist look amazingly small!

A 34" waist at 6'2" is amazing for his size, I would have to be totally shredded to duplicate those numbers. I have not seen under 37" for years, and I feel lean at 40" when I am carrying some meat to go with it. Sure he didn't have a 28" waist but thats what posing is all about, illusion.

He didn't have a 2:1 chest to waist but you'd be hard pressed to find anyone that does.

[DOMS]

those 2 reasons exactly.

GH will distend their guts, and all the water they are holding from all the different juice will also make their wastes bigger, but it's mainly cuz these guys get so freakin' big.
You gotta remember, when Arnold competed, he was "only" like 235ish. Ronnie won the Mr. O at 290 last year. When you're that heavy, not all the weight is going right to your muscles.

Why is that Ronnie has the Ethiopian gut, but Jay doesn't?

[CowPimp]

Why is that Ronnie has the Ethiopian gut, but Jay doesn't?

Genetics?

[Flex]

Why is that Ronnie has the Ethiopian gut, but Jay doesn't?

Genetics, plus the fact he outweighs him by 30lbs...

[Stu]

Why is that Ronnie has the Ethiopian gut, but Jay doesn't?

not every one is suseptable to GH gut

[Mudge]

Jay does, its just not as bad. Look at nearly any of the pros even the smaller guys, and they have it.

They are not likely at all using high water retention steroids on stage, that makes no sense. Casey Viator used to use 2.5 grams of deca a week and he was golden age era, thats plenty of juice, he had no gut.

When your instestines grow another 4 feet or so, its going to show up.

[soxmuscle]

Well, to be honest, usually the slightest peep out of a student sets of my roid rage. So i go stand right next to them to keep them quiet, meanwhile fighting to keep from ripping their head clean off, as my rage is spinning wildly out of control. All of a sudden, my skin turns green, i become enormous and i do a front double-bi's pose into a most muscular, and all the kids shut right up haha

In all seriousness, i get along better with the kids more than probably anyone in the entire school, so when i'm at the games, i'm doing what i do during the school day, i stand there and hang out with them, only this time we're watching my cousin whoop ass or freezing our asses off in the hockey arena. I'm absolutely not on a power trip haha, and if the kids did happen to be acting like dicks, i'd just go over and talk to them, and 2 minutes later they'll be fine .

Good man.

[redspy]

This pic has done the rounds on BB forums but it's an interesting comparison....

[soxmuscle]

I dont understand why the GH guts are so prominent now, but back in the Arnold days they weren't. Wasn't Arnold and the others taking just as much steroids?

[PreMier]

They weren't taking GH back then

GH and steroids are different.

[soxmuscle]

They weren't taking GH back then

GH and steroids are different.

What an idiot, who would ask that damn question...

[Mudge]

GH didn't come out until I believe the early or mid 1980s when it was obtained from cadavers.

GH is actually a 191 long string of amino acids, some of the synthetic variants (Kexing off the top of my head) are 192. IGF-1 is something like 65 aminos, but I forget offhand.

[Stu]

Jay does, its just not as bad. Look at nearly any of the pros even the smaller guys, and they have it.

They are not likely at all using high water retention steroids on stage, that makes no sense. Casey Viator used to use 2.5 grams of deca a week and he was golden age era, thats plenty of juice, he had no gut.

When your instestines grow another 4 feet or so, its going to show up.

There is field of thought that the stomach could be a result of a reaction to synthetic GH

Redspy posted a great article about GH on another board