rotator cuffs?

**I Are Baboon** · 02-01-2002, 08:06 AM

For rotator cuffs, will working them add size to your shoulders? Obviously, by strengthening the joint, you'll be able to lift more when doing other exercises. But when you work the rotator cuff, does that exercise directly add muscle to your shoulders?? Just wondering what you thought.

Rob_NC · 02-01-2002, 08:12 AM

IMHO, I don't think so. The theory you state is valid though. I've been doing movements called scapulation exercises whereby you raise a verticle dumbell diagonally away from you. This hits part of the rotator cuff but really gets the anterior delt as well as the lateral. The movement is detailed on MuscleandFitness.com

**gopro** · 02-01-2002, 08:21 AM

No, working the rotators will not directly add size to your delts. The rotators are internal muscles and can't be seen on the surface. However, if it allows you to lift more weight in other delt movements, than obviously, there will be an indirect size increase.

Scotty the Body · 02-01-2002, 06:10 PM

What they said. hehehe

Tank316 · 02-01-2002, 07:27 PM

healthy strong rotary cuffs are the key to big shoulders,and a big chest.take it from somebody who has bad one, it sucks.its not torn yet,but it sucks....

BigAL · 02-02-2002, 06:47 AM

The anti-subluxation exercise will beef up the rotator cuff muscle, and reduce the susceptibility of a shoulder injury. If that muscle grows internaly, it will invariably push the adjacent muscle groups - hence an accentuated bulk look.

**gopro** · 02-02-2002, 03:26 PM

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Originally posted by BigAL
The anti-subluxation exercise will beef up the rotator cuff muscle, and reduce the susceptibility of a shoulder injury. If that muscle grows internaly, it will invariably push the adjacent muscle groups - hence an accentuated bulk look.

The rotators do not have that kind of capacity for growth. They can't bulk up to the point of pushing out the delts further. It is a nice thought though!

Mifody · 02-02-2002, 03:37 PM

is it neccessary to do direct rotar cuff work or is the normal shoulder training enough?

**gopro** · 02-02-2002, 03:51 PM

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Originally posted by Mifody
is it neccessary to do direct rotar cuff work or is the normal shoulder training enough?

Normally, regular shoulder training is enough. However, once you develop a rotator problem...and most bodybuilders eventually do...you will need to include direct rotator work. My advice would be to at least do some light rotator movements as part as a warmup before training delts, chest or back. Just a couple of sets of 15-20 reps to warm the area might prevent any future problems.

**I Are Baboon** · 02-03-2002, 08:25 AM

Part of the reason I have been working the rotators is because I think it will add some strength to my golf swing.

Tank316 · 02-03-2002, 01:33 PM

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Originally posted by gopro

Normally, regular shoulder training is enough. However, once you develop a rotator problem...and most bodybuilders eventually do...you will need to include direct rotator work. My advice would be to at least do some light rotator movements as part as a warmup before training delts, chest or back. Just a couple of sets of 15-20 reps to warm the area might prevent any future problems.

i learned this way too late,but it is TRULY a good thing to put into your shoulder routine.......

GP,you da man

KillerV900HT · 02-03-2002, 11:55 PM

Don't go for bulk if the goal is to generate more power in your golf swing. Bulk will limit your flexibility and hence your shoulder turn. You will actually lose distance! Think of your body as a spring being coiled. Here is the ideal. Your physique should be well toned and most of all flexible. Just look at the pros, none of the top guys have bulky physiques.

**gopro** · 02-04-2002, 05:24 AM

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Originally posted by I Are Baboon
Part of the reason I have been working the rotators is because I think it will add some strength to my golf swing.

Thank goodness I only play mini golf....

Bench_It · 02-04-2002, 06:17 AM

Join the club Tank...My RC will bring tears to my eyes if I move it the wrong way.

**I Are Baboon** · 02-04-2002, 06:58 AM

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Originally posted by KillerV900HT
Don't go for bulk if the goal is to generate more power in your golf swing. Bulk will limit your flexibility and hence your shoulder turn. You will actually lose distance! Think of your body as a spring being coiled. Here is the ideal. Your physique should be well toned and most of all flexible. Just look at the pros, none of the top guys have bulky physiques.

Fair enough, but I have no intentions of turning pro.

**gopro** · 02-04-2002, 08:14 AM

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Originally posted by I Are Baboon

Fair enough, but I have no intentions of turning pro.

Not at boybuilding anyway

**I Are Baboon** · 02-04-2002, 08:29 AM

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Originally posted by gopro

Not at boybuilding anyway

At 5'11", 177 lbs, I might be a tad too scrawny.

But it's not due to lack of effort!!!!

Tank316 · 02-04-2002, 10:03 AM

Tiger Woods would look really funny all bulked up, Flex Wheeler with a good golf swing.

I can honestly say that Happy Gilmore taught me the greatest golf swing ever..

senopole · 02-04-2002, 12:13 PM

what are the best strengthening excercises if you have problems with your chest wall? because I pulled the muscles across it, and I have been hurting badly, i need to build up some strengh in it.

Rob_NC · 02-04-2002, 01:55 PM

Let it heal first!

**gopro** · 02-04-2002, 03:51 PM

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Originally posted by I Are Baboon

At 5'11", 177 lbs, I might be a tad too scrawny.

But it's not due to lack of effort!!!!

Hey at 177 lbs you will only need another solid 100 lbs of muscle to compete as a pro...that shouldn't be too hard

BigAL · 02-04-2002, 07:04 PM

John Dally is kind of bulky.

A stong rottator cuff muscle group will prevent your shoulder joint from poping while trying to generate club head spead. Happened to me during golf too. So now I pay attention to the anti-subluxation exercise.

**I Are Baboon** · 02-05-2002, 06:09 AM

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Originally posted by gopro

Hey at 177 lbs you will only need another solid 100 lbs of muscle to compete as a pro...that shouldn't be too hard

What do I need to do to add that much muscle by March?

**gopro** · 02-05-2002, 10:51 AM

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Originally posted by I Are Baboon

What do I need to do to add that much muscle by March?

Find someone that is a solid 100 pounds and strap him to your back...

02-01-2002, 08:06 AM	#1
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02-01-2002, 08:21 AM	#3
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02-01-2002, 06:10 PM	#4
Scotty the Body I'm Dead Sexxxxy!! Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Canada Posts: 4,970	What they said. hehehe
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02-01-2002, 07:27 PM	#5
Tank316 P/RR/Sh Warrior Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Barron,Wi Posts: 4,345 Photos: 8	healthy strong rotary cuffs are the key to big shoulders,and a big chest.take it from somebody who has bad one, it sucks.its not torn yet,but it sucks....
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02-04-2002, 06:17 AM	#14
Bench_It Worst Nightmare Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: VA, USA Posts: 93	Join the club Tank...My RC will bring tears to my eyes if I move it the wrong way.
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02-01-2002, 08:12 AM	#2
Rob_NC Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,179	IMHO, I don't think so. The theory you state is valid though. I've been doing movements called scapulation exercises whereby you raise a verticle dumbell diagonally away from you. This hits part of the rotator cuff but really gets the anterior delt as well as the lateral. The movement is detailed on MuscleandFitness.com

02-02-2002, 06:47 AM	#6
BigAL Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: ? Posts: 60	The anti-subluxation exercise will beef up the rotator cuff muscle, and reduce the susceptibility of a shoulder injury. If that muscle grows internaly, it will invariably push the adjacent muscle groups - hence an accentuated bulk look.

02-02-2002, 03:37 PM	#8
Mifody Member Elite Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: . Posts: 175	is it neccessary to do direct rotar cuff work or is the normal shoulder training enough?

02-03-2002, 08:25 AM	#10
I Are Baboon pedal pedal pedal Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Beerville Posts: 10,904 Photos: 10	Part of the reason I have been working the rotators is because I think it will add some strength to my golf swing.

02-03-2002, 11:55 PM	#12
KillerV900HT Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 2	Don't go for bulk if the goal is to generate more power in your golf swing. Bulk will limit your flexibility and hence your shoulder turn. You will actually lose distance! Think of your body as a spring being coiled. Here is the ideal. Your physique should be well toned and most of all flexible. Just look at the pros, none of the top guys have bulky physiques.

02-04-2002, 10:03 AM	#18
Tank316 P/RR/Sh Warrior Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Barron,Wi Posts: 4,345 Photos: 8	Tiger Woods would look really funny all bulked up, Flex Wheeler with a good golf swing. I can honestly say that Happy Gilmore taught me the greatest golf swing ever..
	P/RR/Sh Warrior. Epic's new man beast.

02-04-2002, 12:13 PM	#19
senopole Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Rochester, MI Posts: 21	what are the best strengthening excercises if you have problems with your chest wall? because I pulled the muscles across it, and I have been hurting badly, i need to build up some strengh in it.

02-04-2002, 01:55 PM	#20
Rob_NC Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,179	Let it heal first!

02-04-2002, 07:04 PM	#22
BigAL Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: ? Posts: 60	John Dally is kind of bulky. A stong rottator cuff muscle group will prevent your shoulder joint from poping while trying to generate club head spead. Happened to me during golf too. So now I pay attention to the anti-subluxation exercise.

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