What the hell?

**ihateschoolmt** · 02-10-2005, 03:46 PM

This trainer at my gym told me not to work my abs so much, because there "perfect." I only work them out 3 times a week, does he have any idea what he's talking about or is 3 days a week fine? When I work my abs I do twisting decline crunches (2 sets) and machine crunches (3 sets).

**Prince** · 02-10-2005, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by ihateschoolmt

does he have any idea what he's talking about

probably not.

**ihateschoolmt** · 02-10-2005, 05:07 PM

Figures, maybe that's why he's fat.

**cider303** · 02-10-2005, 09:11 PM

ha ha thats mean

**sweatshopchamp** · 02-10-2005, 09:14 PM

treat them like any other muscle because thats what they are

**Egoatdoor** · 02-10-2005, 09:43 PM

If the trainer says "they're perfect", maybe he's suggesting that you spend the time and energy working on other parts that are not so good.

There are tons of guys in the gym with big arms, no back and stork legs and they waste their time training arms every workout.

**ph8bringer** · 02-11-2005, 12:55 AM

In a book I own, "Arnold's Bodybuilding for men", Arnold Schwarzenegger says that you should train abs every day, because they are small muscles, and they recover alot quicker.

I train my abs every day, and I'm fine.

(The book is very old, however, and I'm not too sure how accurate this advice is today.)

**KarlW** · 02-11-2005, 02:33 AM

So by that reasoning you should train biceps every day too.

**Egoatdoor** · 02-11-2005, 05:04 AM

Originally Posted by ph8bringer

In a book I own, "Arnold's Bodybuilding for men", Arnold Schwarzenegger says that you should train abs every day, because they are small muscles, and they recover alot quicker.

I train my abs every day, and I'm fine.

(The book is very old, however, and I'm not too sure how accurate this advice is today.)

Alot of what Arnold advocated had to be taken with a grain of salt because he was coming from the perspective of a steroid based trainer. He also said one should train 5, 6, 7 days a week, which a natural trainer could not possibly ever recover from. We know now that the body grows while it RESTS, not while it is in the gym. I was a 20 something in the 80s who trained by Arnold's mantra and I know now why I never got any bigger and felt perpetually overtrained. Now I train 3, at most 4 days a week, am 20 years older (and thus producing much less testoterone) and am NOW am GAINING pounds of pure muscle each year.

And I also go back to my original premise as to why one would train such a strong bodypart so frequently anyway? Its not like the abs are suddenly going to go away if you train them once or twice a week rather than 3 times. Mike Matarazzo is genetically blessed with the biggest calves in bodybuilding. Do you think he needs to train them 3 days a week?

**ph8bringer** · 02-11-2005, 05:08 AM

I was a 20 something in the 80s who trained by Arnold's mantra and I know now why I never got any bigger and felt perpetually overtrained. Now I train 3, at most 4 days a week, am 20 years old and thus producing much less testoterone and am now gaing pounds of pure muscle each year.

Did I misunderstand your post, or did you just say you were 20 something in the 80's, and now you're 20? wtf? If it's a typo, I understand, but if it's not, please explain.

Thanks for the info, too.

**KarlW** · 02-11-2005, 05:12 AM

Mazing what BBing can do for you.

**Egoatdoor** · 02-11-2005, 05:43 AM

Originally Posted by ph8bringer

Did I misunderstand your post, or did you just say you were 20 something in the 80's, and now you're 20? wtf? If it's a typo, I understand, but if it's not, please explain.

Thanks for the info, too.

Sorry. It should have said 20 YEARS OLDER.

**BigDyl** · 02-11-2005, 05:45 AM

Originally Posted by Egoatdoor

If the trainer says "they're perfect", maybe he's suggesting that you spend the time and energy working on other parts that are not so good.

There are tons of guys in the gym with big arms, no back and stork legs and they waste their time training arms every workout.

Or maybe he's just gay.

**Flex** · 02-11-2005, 06:12 AM

Originally Posted by ihateschoolmt

Figures, maybe that's why he's fat.

just tell him

**crazy_enough** · 02-11-2005, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by Flex

just tell him

Good lord thats quite the motivational factor to get my ass offa this chair and lift this morning! The "stomach over pussy" look never appealed to me!

**Pylon** · 02-11-2005, 07:33 AM

Thanks a lot Flex. I was having trouble keeping my breakfast down as it is.

**DOMS** · 02-11-2005, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by KarlW

So by that reasoning you should train biceps every day too.

Different muscles have different recovery times. Biceps don't recover as fast as abs and calves, for example.

**sgtneo** · 02-11-2005, 09:21 AM

lol well when i train abs, i train them twice a week 5 sets of 15 on the thera crunch and use weighted resistance to make it hard work

Neo

**Machher** · 02-11-2005, 09:24 AM

ive alwys thought of abs to be a muscle....

so train them as frequently as i would any other muscle...

and by the way.. they are a muscle!

**KarlW** · 02-12-2005, 02:54 AM

Originally Posted by cfs3

Different muscles have different recovery times. Biceps don't recover as fast as abs and calves, for example.

Why are abs and calves faster at recovery? Is it because they are used more frequently outside the gym?

Originally Posted by Machher

ive alwys thought of abs to be a muscle....

so train them as frequently as i would any other muscle...

and by the way.. they are a muscle!

who's saying they aren't?

**LAM** · 02-12-2005, 04:02 AM

Originally Posted by BigDyl

Or maybe he's just gay.

lol. that's the 1st thing that came into my mind. how would a trainer even see your abs ?

**Machher** · 02-12-2005, 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by KarlW

who's saying they aren't?

training abs more than other muscles.. is suggesting abs break the rules of muscles.

**ihateschoolmt** · 02-12-2005, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by LAM

lol. that's the 1st thing that came into my mind. how would a trainer even see your abs ?

I wear an under armor shirt at the gym. He's married and about 30 years older than me.

**CowPimp** · 02-12-2005, 11:01 AM

I do think certain muscles respond better to more frequency because of their inherent fiber types and very high level of functionality. Most notably: calves, abs, lower back, and forearms/grip. You are almost constantly using these muscles throughout the day.

**swick** · 02-12-2005, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by ph8bringer

In a book I own, "Arnold's Bodybuilding for men", Arnold Schwarzenegger says that you should train abs every day, because they are small muscles, and they recover alot quicker.

I train my abs every day, and I'm fine.

(The book is very old, however, and I'm not too sure how accurate this advice is today.)

would it matter how old? its arnold schwarznegger!

**Egoatdoor** · 02-12-2005, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by swick

would it matter how old? its arnold schwarznegger!

So what? Most of what Arnold wrote 20 years ago has been debunked.

**Musclebeach** · 02-12-2005, 07:53 PM

I train abs daily and am pretty sure my abs are "above average."

You wear an Under Armour shirt to the gym? Are you going there to show off for the babes or get bigger and stronger?

-Jeff.

**ihateschoolmt** · 02-12-2005, 08:17 PM

I rarely see girls at my gym, and I wear under armor because loose fitting shirts get in the way sometimes.

**j rizz** · 02-12-2005, 09:30 PM

Get in the way of what.... you trying to impress all the other guys and gay trainers at your gym with your "perfect" abs.

**Musclebeach** · 02-13-2005, 02:08 PM

Im just giving you a hard time, lol.

-Jeff.

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