Training while cutting?

**thatguy** · 02-13-2005, 11:31 AM

I've been cutting now for about a week, and I've noticed that I am sore for days after every workout. It seems somewhat logical that recovery times would not be quite as good as they were while bulking, but is there anything I can do to make this better?

Also, do I need to adjust my training since I am cutting now?

**LAM** · 02-13-2005, 12:02 PM

stretch after each workout and if you cals are low enough you can start to supplement with BCAA's and of course L-Glutamine.

**CowPimp** · 02-13-2005, 12:46 PM

7 Secrets to Rapid Recovery

Check it.

**P-funk** · 02-13-2005, 12:50 PM

when I am cutting and my bf% is low trying to push the same kind of weights that i normally do usually my joints hurt a bit more and I am more sore jsut because of less bf being there for protection.

**thatguy** · 02-13-2005, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by P-funk

when I am cutting and my bf% is low trying to push the same kind of weights that i normally do usually my joints hurt a bit more and I am more sore jsut because of less bf being there for protection.

That's very much like what I am experiencing. Here's what has changed:

1) Lower caloric intake from cutting diet (particularly in carbs/fats)
2) Post-workout, I'm eating oats with whey instead of dextrose and whey.

That's pretty much it, so here's what I think I'm gonna do (tell me if you disagree):

1) I'm gonna incorporate a once-a-week "refeed" of carbs. My energy has been low, and I fear it's also hurting recovery
2) I'm gonna try dextrose and whey again and see if that helps. I'm a fan of the insulin spike and the high GI carbs because they are processed so quickly. We'll see if that helps recovery to be what it used to be.

Do you think I also need to make adjustments in training?

**P-funk** · 02-13-2005, 02:31 PM

1) Depending on your level of leaness a refeed may have to be incorporated more frequently than once a week.

2) i don;t like to spike my insulin, especially when dieting. i do better when i keep my insulin levels stable.

I don't really adjust my training. I mean, i don't try to hit 1RMs or anything.

**thatguy** · 02-13-2005, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by P-funk

1) Depending on your level of leaness a refeed may have to be incorporated more frequently than once a week.

2) i don;t like to spike my insulin, especially when dieting. i do better when i keep my insulin levels stable.

I don't really adjust my training. I mean, i don't try to hit 1RMs or anything.

1) I'm just below 9% BF now. I eat about 300/300/60 (that's grams of P/C/F of course). Jodi and Emma-Leigh worked out my diet in a different thread.
2) Ok, P, so you think I should stick with the whey and oats PWO?

**P-funk** · 02-13-2005, 02:58 PM

1) hmmm.....okay. I would refeed more than once a week though. but that is me. if someone else did youir diet then stick with.

2) i prefer the oats and whey over the dextrose and whey. just my opinion though.

**thatguy** · 02-13-2005, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by P-funk

1) hmmm.....okay. I would refeed more than once a week though. but that is me. if someone else did youir diet then stick with.

2) i prefer the oats and whey over the dextrose and whey. just my opinion though.

1) I'm more than open to suggestions, they would agree nothing works for everybody. Is there something there that doesn't look right to you?

2) Will do.

**P-funk** · 02-13-2005, 03:07 PM

1) no, i just like to refeed every 4 days when i am that lean.

**thatguy** · 02-13-2005, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by P-funk

1) no, i just like to refeed every 4 days when i am that lean.

Ok, I'll try that. Maybe it will make me feel better. My energy has been low, and my shoulders hurt.

Thanks for your help, P. When is the competition that you're entered in?

**P-funk** · 02-13-2005, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by thatguy

Ok, I'll try that. Maybe it will make me feel better. My energy has been low, and my shoulders hurt.

Thanks for your help, P. When is the competition that you're entered in?

June 4th. 16 weeks away.

**thatguy** · 02-13-2005, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by P-funk

June 4th. 16 weeks away.

What BF do you expect to be by then and what are you now? I've always wondered about the timing of that process, and I'm making you my case study.

**P-funk** · 02-13-2005, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by thatguy

What BF do you expect to be by then and what are you now? I've always wondered about the timing of that process, and I'm making you my case study.

I expect to be 4-5%. Hopefully at the end.

**musclepump** · 02-13-2005, 07:13 PM

I'm cutting right now, too. Sore longer, yeah, less calories obviously, but same training. What built the muscle is what's going to keep it there.

**thatguy** · 02-13-2005, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by musclepump

I'm cutting right now, too. Sore longer, yeah, less calories obviously, but same training. What built the muscle is what's going to keep it there.

My thoughts exactly. I'm gonna take P's advice and refeed every 4 or 5 days. If that isn't sufficient, I may try half low GI (oats) and half high GI (dextrose) after workouts and see how that works for me. But I have a feeling the refeeds will work, because I "refed" on accident this weekend (early Valentine's Day at a nice restaurant a.k.a. cheat meal) and I feel TONS better.

**thatguy** · 02-13-2005, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by P-funk

I expect to be 4-5%. Hopefully at the end.

I'll subscribe to the journal to see how it goes. Good luck.

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