Mr651

Anyone here plays football, I'm currently training for football for the summer and need some expert advise. First off let me say my position is Wide Reciever so I don't need to bench 350lb.

I'm currently benching more than ever but seems like I tend to work only upper body and forget my legs, stomach, and back. I really wish I would have played High School football, dam what I've give to go back and played instead of being a pot head. Yeah but it is what it is, my little brother played CB for varsity football and man he's not even at my level (even when I was his age) but I'm proud of him.

Oh well let me say I'm 5'7 175lb right now but I'm trying to cut down to 160-165 of meat. Gotta admit I'm a little overweight right now but I tend to go up and down with each season. For you guys that don't know I'm asian........so that's pretty good size for a WR. I know aint no comparision but people around my league called me the asian T.O. dont' laugh please

Anyways my size gives me advantage blocking during a running play and I could grab on the rims with 2 hands so I could out jump small asian DB's.

So anyone gots some good workout programs, sh!t after 2 years in a row getting 2nd place in the tourny I'v dedicated my life to winning the big one.

Any help is welcome, oh and sorry I wrote so much about myselft but I just wanted people to know that I'm not a 6'2 WR so maybe the trainings a little different. peace.

ihateschoolmt

It's more about diet than training. Go read about diet.

ihateschoolmt

http://ironmagazineforums.com/showthread.php?t=31408 There is a training plan.

Duncans Donuts

Whoa - why is football training more about diet ??

"in the howling bleeding nights, the dogs plunge into the Volga and swim desperately to gain the other bank. The nights of Stalingrad are a terror for them. Animals flee this hell; the hardest stones cannot bear it for long; only men endure."

ihateschoolmt

He wants to loose weight.

Mr651

Actually I'm more into the different type of training football players do for their legs, arm, and body. I mean I never played organized sports so I dont know how the coaches train the player on conditioning. Diet I know already.....Stop eating fast food and white rice asian boy

Anyways there's gotta be some of you that played football, what does you coach make you guys do, I tend to get fatigue in the calfs late in tournament.

Anything or suggestions would be good, just need more knowlegde on football training.

Duncans Donuts

The current training at my school is some of the most (in my opinion) ludicrous nonsense I've ever seen. As far as training, make sure you focus on FIELDWORK. Wide receiver needs speed and quickness, so get on the field and attempt real world situations and lateral movement, 20 - 40 - 60 yard sprints, backpedalling, etcetera.

As far as weight training is concerned, train to get stronger so that you can apply that when you have developed football skill.

"in the howling bleeding nights, the dogs plunge into the Volga and swim desperately to gain the other bank. The nights of Stalingrad are a terror for them. Animals flee this hell; the hardest stones cannot bear it for long; only men endure."

soxmuscle

DD -- what does your school want you guys doing? I know at my school it's mandatory to be in the gym every day, and pretty much every day kids bench and do arm curls the entire time.

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DDan16

its always about diet, it makes all the difference

Duncans Donuts

Olympic lifts like SNATCHES, CLEANS, PULLs, ROPE PULLUPS, ROPE CURLS, ONE LEGGED SQUATS, MEDICINE BALL THROWS.

I showed up today for my first day and scarcely could believe what they were doing. The guys weren't terribly strong, and even though the actual football field / weights class started 3 weeks ago, the guys (awesome guys, btw) weren't paticularly strong in any of the core lifts. We don't even do deadlifts - sigh?

The other linebackers were squatting free weight in the 330s, which was nice considering the immaculent form, and some of the guys were very strong at certain elements - like curls (barf), but overall strength wasn't too impressive.

"in the howling bleeding nights, the dogs plunge into the Volga and swim desperately to gain the other bank. The nights of Stalingrad are a terror for them. Animals flee this hell; the hardest stones cannot bear it for long; only men endure."

Duncans Donuts

Further to my dismay, the workout lasted about an hour and including between 30-35 sets. This from a guy who typically stays in a 6-12 set range. Everything was 5 reps (IGNORING THE VARIABLE OF INTENSITY - NOTHING WAS TO FAILURE) and i hardly broke a sweat. Despite my time in the gym! I came out after over an hour and felt like I hadn't done a thing, except I had sore feet because of the impact of the cleans.

"in the howling bleeding nights, the dogs plunge into the Volga and swim desperately to gain the other bank. The nights of Stalingrad are a terror for them. Animals flee this hell; the hardest stones cannot bear it for long; only men endure."

ihateschoolmt

That's exactly what my school does for football and weight training. Same exercises everyday (squats, deadlifts, bench, cleans, curls, military press), 5 days a week. They also tell the kids to work out on the week ends if they can.

Duncans Donuts

"in the howling bleeding nights, the dogs plunge into the Volga and swim desperately to gain the other bank. The nights of Stalingrad are a terror for them. Animals flee this hell; the hardest stones cannot bear it for long; only men endure."

ihateschoolmt

I know, that's why I refuse to sign up for weight training next year. And every one wants to know why.

Duncans Donuts

Yeah, I feel you on that bro...frankly, I wanted to tell the coach that I'd train in my style and stack my results up to the average results of the rest of the team because I didn't want to break my back trying to snatch a weight up. But coming off as an arrogant know-it-all isn't the best way to introduce yourself to a coach.

During the hang pull (or whatever) where you exaggerate a shrug, I saw EVERY SINGLE PERSON in my group hyperextend their back. I pointed it out to the guys but I don't think they cared.

"in the howling bleeding nights, the dogs plunge into the Volga and swim desperately to gain the other bank. The nights of Stalingrad are a terror for them. Animals flee this hell; the hardest stones cannot bear it for long; only men endure."

Newt

We all know that benching and curling every day is not good for anything, but that is a different story. I agree that running 20,40, and 60 yrd sprints along with back pedeling and lateral movements is going to be the best thing for your quickness. As far as weightlifting goes you should stick to your core lifts like bench, incline, and squats. Out of everything in the weightroom I promise you that platform work like cleans and snatches are the best football excersizes you can do. Football is a sport of explosiveness and quickness and platform work trains your body for both. Stay away from things like deadlift for football. They are a slow movement that has nothing to do with anything you will do on the field. As far as you calves getting tired, you are not running enough! If you run enough sprints and stands then your calves will not go out on you.

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Duncans Donuts

Whoa, whoa, whoa. How in God's name is a SNATCH, where you toss a weight over your head and absorb thousands of pounds of force related in ANY WAY to football?? The rate of the movement performed has nothing to do with your capacity to GENERATE FORCE (there was a thread discussing this a day or so ago) and the fact that a deadlift is performed slowly DOES NOT MEAN IT TRAINS SLOW ATHLETES. In fact, it's in my opinion a million times better than a clean because of the TUT experienced by the lower extremeties. Strength training isn't skill training according to every single piece of motor-learning literature I've ever read. Nothing except tradition has gone to contradict this, though I'd love for someone to show me otherwise.

As far as fast weight training movements making for explosive athletes, see my signature below... STRENGTH training (force generation) is best trained, imo, by controlled movements with high TUTs. Using that force is trained on the field!

"in the howling bleeding nights, the dogs plunge into the Volga and swim desperately to gain the other bank. The nights of Stalingrad are a terror for them. Animals flee this hell; the hardest stones cannot bear it for long; only men endure."

Duncans Donuts

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"in the howling bleeding nights, the dogs plunge into the Volga and swim desperately to gain the other bank. The nights of Stalingrad are a terror for them. Animals flee this hell; the hardest stones cannot bear it for long; only men endure."

PreMier

You just cant see that power and strength training is different. If you so confident in HIT, you should tell your coach that you know what your doing, and to stack the results next to each other(you vs others). Let the performance on the field show wether your style is more productive than the rest.

P-side Inc.

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Duncans Donuts

Tell me how it's different?

"in the howling bleeding nights, the dogs plunge into the Volga and swim desperately to gain the other bank. The nights of Stalingrad are a terror for them. Animals flee this hell; the hardest stones cannot bear it for long; only men endure."

ihateschoolmt

Yea, I know what you're talking about, I do those after deadlifts sometimes (light weight). You wouldn't believe the form the kids at my school use. I only worked out there one time, because my gym is much better, but when I was there I was squating 160 for reps or something like that, and this kid who thought he was way stronger than me wanted to show off came up and said "Is that all you squat? I said yea, that's as heavy as I go for reps. He wanted to work in with me so I let him and he said he would warm up with 160, he got the weight off the rack and went down about 5 inches, and tried to come back up. His lower back started to round and it looked like he was doing good mornings with horrible form, then he just fell flat on his face (but the pins kept the weight from falling on him). It was the funniest shit I ever seen in a gym. He just got up and starting benching again.

Yanick

strength has no time element.

"...we have to remember that training is a complicated dance of stimuli and response. Our goal is to understand how to manipulate the stimuli in order to evoke the responses we desire." -Nathan J. Polenchek

Duncans Donuts

It's a simple equation, as Kinetic Energy (whatever unit that may be) is equal to Mass * Velocity squared, or KE = mv2. In that regard, since mass is constant, velocity is proportionally related to the force.

So you could argue that if you increase the speed, then the force must go up too, so train fast. The problem with this is that if a resistance is not sufficent, it is impossible to exert 100 percent force. Try and express 100 percent of your maximum force by throwing a ping pong ball (ignore density and air resistance, for a moment). If the load is sufficient (say to do 4-6 reps with a constant velocity and TUT to failure), there is not going to be a fast velocity (relatively speaking) because the imposition of the load on the musculature is demanding and the force required to control and move the weight is, likewise.

Also, muscle tension diminishes with a greater acceleration and momentum of "explosive lifts". As far as I can tell, strength training is meant to impose tension and strain on a muscle, not relax it (which is what happens during the throwing of a weight, until gravity is called into question during the catch phase). They are also much more dangerous. They also don't correlate to more "explosiveness" on the field, per the SAID.

Not to say that so called explosive lifts don't instigate some kind of hypertrophy or neurological conditioning, but I don't believe they do so more than a squat or a deadlift.

"in the howling bleeding nights, the dogs plunge into the Volga and swim desperately to gain the other bank. The nights of Stalingrad are a terror for them. Animals flee this hell; the hardest stones cannot bear it for long; only men endure."

ihateschoolmt

What is "TUT"?

ihateschoolmt

So for optimal hypertrophy, should I go slow on the way up on a dealift? I was always told to go as fast as I can, although that isn't that fast compared to explosive lifting. Will it make a difference, or is it insignificant because it's only a slight decrease in speed?

camarosuper6

Yo.

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