Thread: pound for pound

That's quite good man. Keep training!

If you want more information on pound for pound strenght, you might find the schwartz formula interesting. Here's an article on it: http://www.galaxycompetition.com/ins...s/choice22.htm. It's a true measure of strength. Though a 225 pd. person might lift more than you do, based on the schwartz you may be the stronger man overall.

Originally Posted by sherm20

Hey guys, i'm a newbie to this forum and weightlifting. However, I was just curious if i'm relatively weak pound for pound. I'm about 138 and i can bench 135 for around 6 reps in sets of 3. Is this good or bad.

Nice and just keep training ...... everyone starts somewhere. You will only get stronger.

The average Joe can bench at or below bodyweight, so its not "bad."

There is a 165er putting up 635 which is close to quad bodyweight.

Good job!!

Keep pumping.........it will only get better!!

Originally Posted by Mudge

The average Joe can bench at or below bodyweight, so its not "bad."

There is a 165er putting up 635 which is close to quad bodyweight.

I thought that 70 pound boy that benched 210 was considered the strongest in the world?

Originally Posted by ihateschoolmt

I thought that 70 pound boy that benched 210 was considered the strongest in the world?

Are you talking about Richard Sandrak? Little Herculeus? That kid's insane lol He benched 205 when he was like 9.

Originally Posted by sherm20

Hey guys, i'm a newbie to this forum and weightlifting. However, I was just curious if i'm relatively weak pound for pound. I'm about 138 and i can bench 135 for around 6 reps in sets of 3. Is this good or bad.

That's good! keep at it

Originally Posted by Deeznuts

That's quite good man. Keep training!

If you want more information on pound for pound strenght, you might find the schwartz formula interesting. Here's an article on it: http://www.galaxycompetition.com/ins...s/choice22.htm. It's a true measure of strength. Though a 225 pd. person might lift more than you do, based on the schwartz you may be the stronger man overall.

Yea, but heavier weight is harder to move(period). Hell, an ant is the strongest thing on the planet lb/lb.

Actually,

Worlds Strongest Animal
The strongest animal, relative to body size, is the Rhinoceros Beetle. It can support 850 times its own body weight on its back. Consider that in human terms, it would be as if a 150 pound man could carry 127,000 pounds.

Originally Posted by Mudge

The average Joe can bench at or below bodyweight, so its not "bad."

There is a 165er putting up 635 which is close to quad bodyweight.

Are you talking about the average 'trained' Joe? From my experience a non-trained Joe can't bench anywhere near BW

I weigh about 135-140 and my max on bench is 220 maybe 225 now.

Originally Posted by KarlW

Actually,

Worlds Strongest Animal
The strongest animal, relative to body size, is the Rhinoceros Beetle. It can support 850 times its own body weight on its back. Consider that in human terms, it would be as if a 150 pound man could carry 127,000 pounds.

thanks man. I was just trying to make a statement.. Heavier is harder. Im by no means trying to dis credit those who are smaller.. hell, Deez is 70lbs lighter and is damn near as strong as me!

Originally Posted by PreMier

Yea, but heavier weight is harder to move(period). Hell, an ant is the strongest thing on the planet lb/lb.

That's an excellent point. Never thought about the ant thing (or the beetle) I was just trying to show that he may be stronger than he thinks he is. But, you are completely right. Heavier weight is harder to lift - period.

Originally Posted by KarlW

Are you talking about the average 'trained' Joe? From my experience a non-trained Joe can't bench anywhere near BW

I'll second that. Benching your bodyweight is quite an accomplishment if you just started lifting.

Originally Posted by ihateschoolmt

I thought that 70 pound boy that benched 210 was considered the strongest in the world?

There are a fair number of powerlifters over tripple bodyweight, and 210/70 is "only" 3.0 - I never saw the lift myself, but I heard it wasn't very clean.

Originally Posted by KarlW

Are you talking about the average 'trained' Joe? From my experience a non-trained Joe can't bench anywhere near BW

I have no kind of special genetics, and I was benching 85 when I weighed about 95-100 pounds. I could probably call myself average for a white guy other than my height.

135x6 @ 138 is well north of a bodyweight bench however.

Originally Posted by KarlW

From my experience a non-trained Joe can't bench anywhere near BW

that is the non-trained Joe that particpates in no type of physical exercise. say the average height for an adultmale in the US is almost 5'10 with a body weight of 175 lbs. for a "man" to not be able to bench say 150 lbs is just sad. it just goes to show you how weak and pathetic some people truely are. I remember in boot camp there was a kid who was about 17 years old 6'4 and 140 lbs. that sorry bastard couldn't do one single push up.

Originally Posted by Deeznuts

That's an excellent point. Never thought about the ant thing (or the beetle) I was just trying to show that he may be stronger than he thinks he is. But, you are completely right. Heavier weight is harder to lift - period.

OK, can anyone explain, scientifically, why this is?

Why is NOT relative?

Originally Posted by KarlW

OK, can anyone explain, scientifically, why this is?

Why is NOT relative?

Can't scientifcally, but as you said the strongest animal, is the Rhinoceros Beetle. If a 150 pd. human could carry 157,000 pounds on his back he wouldn't even get the chance...that amount of weight would crush him.
Heaver objects are more dense and weigh more due to gravity.

They had a TV special on Richard Sandrak last night...they threw around the rumor that Richard was given prohormones and/or steroids by his father. As the body doesn't start producing decent levels of testosterone until the minimal age of 10. Richard had incredible gains at 8 with a 205 bench. He has an official website if you'd like to see pictures. His father's in prison now, and Richard seems to have lost nearly all of his muscle after taking 3 mos. off. Very weird..



Richard at 8.

Originally Posted by Deeznuts

Can't scientifcally, but as you said the strongest animal, is the Rhinoceros Beetle. If a 150 pd. human could carry 157,000 pounds on his back he wouldn't even get the chance...that amount of weight would crush him.
Heaver objects are more dense and weigh more due to gravity.

Anyone???, cmon I need to know.

I think there's 2 thing at work here.

1. The effect gravity somehow plays on the diminishing returns of weight that can be lifted relative to body weight. For example, the world record for mens snatch in 56kg class is 138.5kg which is a factor of 2.47 whilst the WR in the 105 class is 198.5kg (a factor of 1.89).

2. The skeletal structure of the beetle is very different to other creatures.

Beetle is exo skeleton.

Originally Posted by Deeznuts

If you want more information on pound for pound strenght, you might find the schwartz formula interesting. Here's an article on it: http://www.galaxycompetition.com/ins...s/choice22.htm. It's a true measure of strength. Though a 225 pd. person might lift more than you do, based on the schwartz you may be the stronger man overall.

That is asinine. If a 225lb guy can lift more, he can LIFT MORE, and that make him stronger.

Originally Posted by Deeznuts

If you want more information on pound for pound strenght, you might find the schwartz formula interesting. Here's an article on it: http://www.galaxycompetition.com/ins...s/choice22.htm. It's a true measure of strength. Though a 225 pd. person might lift more than you do, based on the schwartz you may be the stronger man overall.

Does anyone know how these numbers were derived?

Take a hypothetical example where a person lifts exactly their bodyweight.

100 * 1.1223 = 112.23
200 * 0.5826 = 116.5
300 * 0.5077 = 152.3

It seems like the more you weigh, the better your score if you can lift your bodyweight. But wait.

110 * 0.9991 = 109.9

which contradicts the more you weigh, the better your score. In fact, as your weight increases from 100 to about 140, your score gets worse, and then as you increase from 140 it starts to get better.

Also, the coefficient for 225 lb is wrong.