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    Background Information: I've been lifting for probably about six months now, and I've gotten more serious as I've been going. All along, my goals have been strength. I'm fifteen, about 5'11'' and 225.

    With strength goals, I used to do 2x3 (sets_x_reps) with a lot of weight (I did this on deadlifts mostly), but I wasn't sure if I was sacrificing form, so I lowered the weight and moved to 3x5. However, I maxed on deadlifts (300) and squats (250) today, and I couldn't move as much weight as I had hoped. So, I was wondering if it would be a good idea to go back to doing less reps and sets again, but with more weight. Well, I guess the question is: how much of my one rep max should I use if I do 2x3 (which is my planned sets_x_reps unless someone has other suggestions)? I was thinking something like 215 with squats and 275 with deadlifts. Also, I don't have a spotter, so it can't be too, too close to my max with the squat. Thanks.

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    Just so you know, the last time I worked out I did 190 for squats (76% of 1RM), and 205 (68% of 1RM) for deadlifts.

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    it must be nice to be that young and be so big...i wish i had that quality...ne ways..training for strength you could prob hit the rep range of 3-6 for best results..just pyramid goin up in weight and lowering the reps...also, goin to the gym is the easiest part of training in my opinion...make sure you are eating enuff clean and mass gaining foods and resting enuff...diet and rest are very key to making progress...and take it slow..you have decades left of training...learn your body and how it reacts to different methods of training and diet...good luck

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    If you want to train at 90% or heavier, those that do so use the conjugage method where you change the exercises from one week to the next. I have made a couple posts on this recently if you feel like searching the training forum, under my name for conjugate.

    Otherwise you need to keep it at least 5 reps or higher, and even then I start to lose strength if I dont mix things up.

    Are you not squatting in a power rack?
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    I just train at home in my basement (hence no spotter), and the 'squat rack' I use is just basically a place on the back of the bench where you can also squat. So there's really no safety type thing, but I just take the safety bars from the bench and put them in the holes from the other side. That way if I have to, I can lean forward and something will catch the bar. It's sort of hard to explain if you don't know what it is I have, but to put it simply, I still need to be really careful with what I do.

    Thanks for the encouragement, krazi, but unfortunately a lot of my 'bigness' just happens to be fat (even though I'm trying to change that).

    Thanks for the replies.

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    So - and correct me if I'm wrong - the conjugate method basically says to rotate the weight and number of sets and reps to use. For example: Next week for squats I can do 2x3 of 215; the following week, 8x2 of 135; the following week, 2x3 of 215 or 220; the following week, 10x2 135; etc.. And then I would just apply this to basically every exercise I do.

    Oh, and would '8x2' in this case be 2 sets of 8 reps? Because 8 sets of 2 reps seems kinda strange...
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    This theory is very similar to Louie Simmons conjugate method, whereby you use similar lifts to your main exercise.

    8 reps is not 90% or heavier...

    I can't tell you what 8x2 is unless you show me the example given, but it could very well be 8 sets of doubles. Some of the Westsiders during the explosive period, do doubles or tripples with about 60 seconds of rest, with 50-60% of max weights.
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    Sorry if I gave the impression that I thought to do 8 reps of 90% or higher, because that's not my line of thinking. Maybe that last line at the end of my last post kind of messed up others' perceptions of my thoughts.

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    You wouldn't be able to without forced reps.
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    Well, I did the first day of my mini cycle routine. Today was: Spider Curls 2x3 (45), 8x2 (55); Military Presses 2x3 (30), 8x2 (40); Jog 7th dot, 5 min; Stretches. I liked doing sets of doubles and lifting the weight as fast as possible. It was a nice change from my usual scheme, and I think I'll really like going with sets of doubles. I do realize, for those of you who would comment, that five minutes of jogging is not a lot... at all. However, this, for me, is an accomplishment, and I plan on adding five seconds to my time each time I jog until I reach ten minutes. I also set some new goals for my sixteenth birthday (July 5): 325 deadlift, 275 squat, 200 bench, 135 dumbbell press (total, not in each hand), and 90 spider curl. Benching isn't actually in my routine, but I use DBs instead (I like them so much more), and I'm just seeing if I'll be able to increase my bench with them.

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