I need your honest opinions...

vegman · 04-15-2005, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Stallions05

Mike Tyson? outside? no rules? thats like letting a bull out of the arena , In my opinion Mike Tyson would prob beat the crap ot of nearly all the other professional boxers in a outside fight. He would drop ronnie coleman with ease!

and Ron would have no ears

Decker · 04-15-2005, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

I could take Ronnie out, I am trained in karate. I would break one of his knees and he would fall like an oak tree, then one swift kick to the head and he would be out.

I have whole bunch of wood left over from when I cleared my property. If you're in the neighborhood, would you Kung Fu some of that wood into fireplace sized pieces? I'd really appreciate it.

CancerNV · 04-15-2005, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CursedOne

more info on Royce Gracie:

The 34-year-old Gracie is one of nine children, seven of whom are boys. His training in Jiu-Jitsu began at a very early age as a game with his father Helio, now 88 years old.

Royce's reputable career as a fighter began in 1993 after defeating three opponents in the first Ultimate Fighting Championship. His brother Rorion came up with this innovative challenge as a way to show Gracie Jiu-Jitsu to the world. Discipline after discipline was defeated by the slight 6'1'', 180 pound Royce Gracie. His opponents consistently outweighed him by more than 50 pounds. In the two-hour duration of the UFC I, Royce Gracie steamrolled three skilled opponents and collected $50,000. Several months later, he raked in an additional $60,000 by disposing of four more combatants in the UFC II. By the time the third UFC rolled around, tougher fighters were starting to line up to take a crack at the unbeaten Gracie.

Six months later Gracie is back at UFC 3 defending his title as the Ultimate Fighting Champion. His first match was against Kimo Leopoldo, a tattooed giant that outweighed Gracie by 80 lbs. Gracie won with an armlock, but had to be helped out of the ring as he was completely exhausted, and did not return to action that night. Three months later he returned to action in UFC 4, tapping Dan "The Beast" Severn in the finals.

Royce Gracie lost for the first time in a grappling-only match with another Brazilian-jujutsu expert, Wallid Ismail, at the Rio Oscars of Jiu-Jitsu at Copacobana Beach on December 17, 1998.
In the premier match on a card that included 10 other fights, Gracie was defeated with a "clock choke," which Ismail executed approximately five minutes into the fight. Marco Ruas said for that fight: "I think Royce is a great fighter, it just wasn't his day, just like for me in Japan. "

Royce lost a second time (TKO - Towel Thrown Between Rounds) in Pride Grand Prix 2000 - Finals. In this epic battle against the renowned champion Kazushi Sakuraba Royce fought like a lion.
After the 90 minute battle with Sakuraba, 90 minutes of punishing leg kicks, and 90 minutes without rest or water, Royce Gracie conceded the match and had his brother throw in the towel. After 90 minutes, Gracie could no longer stand and suffered a broken femur. He would be out of action for a while so that his leg could heal.

Royce Gracie lost these fights, proving that he is only human. He did not lose against any huge guys but against skilled martial artists, proving that he will not lose against brute force and muscles full of steroids. Even the great Muhammad Ali lost a few fights but he still is the greatest boxer of all time.

That was an interesting read until i read the last line. Ali would get smoked today by 90% of the heavyweights out there. Ali physically would be a joke today. George Foreman even said Lenox Louis is the greatest fighter of all time.

vegman · 04-15-2005, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CancerNV

Ali would get smoked today by 90% of the heavyweights out there. Ali physically would be a joke today.

Ok dude

min0 lee · 04-15-2005, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by CancerNV

Ali would get smoked today by 90% of the heavyweights out there. Ali physically would be a joke today.

**P-funk** · 04-15-2005, 09:41 PM

1) i could beat up ronnie coleman

2) I could play offensive line in the NFL

**Dale Mabry** · 04-15-2005, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by CancerNV

George Foreman even said Lenox Louis is the greatest fighter of all time.

Lennox Lewis isn't even the greatest fighter of the last 10 years.

Curlingcadys · 04-15-2005, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

Lennox Lewis isn't even the greatest fighter of the last 10 years.

totaly agree, he's a good fighter but to compare him to an icon such as Ali is a joke...in my opinion the only guy that did kind of holds a candle (a very small candle) as a pound for pound comarrison was Roy Jones Jr of old, in his prime, he moved alike, his action/reaction talent was comparable, and in a nut shell like Ali he was basically "untouchable" until the latter portion of his career. Not to mention his lengthy list of accomplishments as a pro. But all in all I'd still say Ali has a pedestal to himself in the history books as does Roy Jones Jr but quite frankly the "workers" are still on lunch when it comes to Lenox Lewis's pedastal he was good but he is also FORGETABLE.

KentDog · 04-16-2005, 12:59 AM

Roy Jones Jr. was definately one of my favs. The only thing that has been unimpressive in his career was the four month time frame which he got KO'd by Tarver and Johnson; before that I believe he only had one loss. I'd say pound for pound the greatest boxers nowadays are Benard Hopkins and Tito Trinidad.

Rocco32 · 04-16-2005, 03:03 AM

I trained in one of Gracie's studios for a few months last year. The instructer was about 140lbs and skinny as hell. Looked about 16 (he was 22). There was also a large black guy in the class who would warm-up by taking the 100lb punching bag off the hook and twirling it all around his body and over his head (weighed probably 300, but not all muscle). EVERY single fight the instructor thrashed him. Not even close once. And every time I fought him, he'd kick my ass.

Curlingcadys · 04-16-2005, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by KentDog

Roy Jones Jr. was definately one of my favs. The only thing that has been unimpressive in his career was the four month time frame which he got KO'd by Tarver and Johnson; before that I believe he only had one loss. I'd say pound for pound the greatest boxers nowadays are Benard Hopkins and Tito Trinidad.

Yeah I agree but shit happens and boxers suddenly become beatable at the end of their career!

But yeah you're right he had one loss prior and that was a DQ for hitting Griffin I believe while he was on one knee. But then he got a rematch and knocked griffin out in the 1st round.

CancerNV · 04-19-2005, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Curlingcadys

totaly agree, he's a good fighter but to compare him to an icon such as Ali is a joke...in my opinion the only guy that did kind of holds a candle (a very small candle) as a pound for pound comarrison was Roy Jones Jr of old, in his prime, he moved alike, his action/reaction talent was comparable, and in a nut shell like Ali he was basically "untouchable" until the latter portion of his career. Not to mention his lengthy list of accomplishments as a pro. But all in all I'd still say Ali has a pedestal to himself in the history books as does Roy Jones Jr but quite frankly the "workers" are still on lunch when it comes to Lenox Lewis's pedastal he was good but he is also FORGETABLE.

Thats whats wrong with you people. You see an "Icon" and think no one can ever be better than him. You honestly dont think athletes are getting better and better as time goes on? The training methods and steroids athletes use today make the athletes of 30 years ago look like a joke. The Vince Lobardy Packers would get embaressed by most division 1 college teams today.

Lenox Lewis is 6'5'' and weighted in around 255 lbs for a fight. He was also ripped to shreds. Ali was 6'3'' and weighed in around 210 lbs for a fight. Theres no way he would last longer than 1 round against the 230+lb monsters that are in the boxing world today.

Hell, Tyson in the early 90's would make Ali shit his pants.

JayBee · 08-13-2005, 12:34 AM

sory to bring the post back up... but i was just thinking.. ronnie is a cop. im sure he could kick some ass.

ihateschoolmt · 08-13-2005, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by JayBee

sory to bring the post back up... but i was just thinking.. ronnie is a cop. im sure he could kick some ass.

Cops aren't trained to fight are they?

JayBee · 08-13-2005, 01:25 AM

cops can kick some ass... ever watch the show cops? even without their sticks and guns... they still train them to fight and shit.... im pretty sure at least.

**Mudge** · 08-13-2005, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by CancerNV

1) Could Ronny Coleman (The dude thats always on the cover of Muscle in Fitness) beat up Mike Tyson in a boxing ring? I know hes not a boxer but hes got to make up for that in sheer strength.

If you can't ever hit a man, then you wont ever take him down no matter how much force is behind your punch. Targets move, they dont stand still.

**Mudge** · 08-13-2005, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by P-funk

1) i could beat up ronnie coleman

2) I could play offensive line in the NFL

I COULD EAT YOUR CHILDREN!

JayBee · 08-13-2005, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Mudge

I COULD EAT YOUR CHILDREN!

HAHAHAHAHAHA that reminds me of an article i was just reading......

""The Beast" Vs. The Beast.....

It looks like Mike Tyson is getting ready to step back in the ring, but finding an opponent that will bring a big payday has been a problem.

Enter Bob Sapp. The champion of K-1 (fighting that combines boxing and martial arts) may be that man.

Let's take a look at the tale of the tape:

Bob Sapp is nicknamed "The Beast" because he's 6-foot-4, 350 pounds.
Mike Tyson is often called a beast because he's a convicted rapist.

Bob Sapp is nicknamed "The Beast" because he regularly pummels his opponents including the previous champ, twice.
Mike Tyson is often called a beast because he bit Evander Holyfield's ear, twice.

Bob Sapp is nicknamed "The Beast" because he once put an opponent in a coma (he recovered).
Mike Tyson is often called a beast because he threatened to eat Lennox Lewis' children (Lewis knocked him out).

Advantage: Sapp

Tyson may talk a good game, and he can usually take a punch, but Sapp is a cultural icon in Japan for a reason. He's big, he's strong, and when he hits you, you feel it for a week (unless you're in a coma).

I'd pay to see this beating."

Brandon · 08-13-2005, 04:26 PM

is the tyson/sapp fight really gonna happen? i saw a fight where sapp was running his mouth to tyson, but i didn't know if they'd ever fight. this should be a good one. dammit, as much as i hate bob sapp, i really don't think tyson in his current condition can do shit against him.

to the original poster... you've got to be kidding, a body builder vs a fucking professional boxer? the fight would never even come close to the end of the first round before coleman was knocked out. that fight would be a joke.

JayBee · 08-14-2005, 01:21 AM

i doub it will ever happen, also. i saw that talk down a while back haha... id love to see that fight though. bob sapp and mike tyson are my heros....whenever im in the bottom of a squat i just think.... what would mike tyson do... and then i think about how hed probably try to eat my little sister and i pass out..

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04-16-2005, 03:03 AM	#40
Rocco32 UNLEASH THE BEAST Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 22,313 Photos: 18	I trained in one of Gracie's studios for a few months last year. The instructer was about 140lbs and skinny as hell. Looked about 16 (he was 22). There was also a large black guy in the class who would warm-up by taking the 100lb punching bag off the hook and twirling it all around his body and over his head (weighed probably 300, but not all muscle). EVERY single fight the instructor thrashed him. Not even close once. And every time I fought him, he'd kick my ass.
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08-13-2005, 12:34 AM	#43
JayBee Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 119	sory to bring the post back up... but i was just thinking.. ronnie is a cop. im sure he could kick some ass.
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08-13-2005, 01:25 AM	#45
JayBee Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 119	cops can kick some ass... ever watch the show cops? even without their sticks and guns... they still train them to fight and shit.... im pretty sure at least.
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08-13-2005, 04:26 PM	#49
Brandon Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 25	is the tyson/sapp fight really gonna happen? i saw a fight where sapp was running his mouth to tyson, but i didn't know if they'd ever fight. this should be a good one. dammit, as much as i hate bob sapp, i really don't think tyson in his current condition can do shit against him. to the original poster... you've got to be kidding, a body builder vs a fucking professional boxer? the fight would never even come close to the end of the first round before coleman was knocked out. that fight would be a joke.
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04-16-2005, 12:59 AM	#39
KentDog College Grad Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: USA Posts: 2,874 Photos: 3	Roy Jones Jr. was definately one of my favs. The only thing that has been unimpressive in his career was the four month time frame which he got KO'd by Tarver and Johnson; before that I believe he only had one loss. I'd say pound for pound the greatest boxers nowadays are Benard Hopkins and Tito Trinidad.

08-14-2005, 01:21 AM	#50
JayBee Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 119	i doub it will ever happen, also. i saw that talk down a while back haha... id love to see that fight though. bob sapp and mike tyson are my heros....whenever im in the bottom of a squat i just think.... what would mike tyson do... and then i think about how hed probably try to eat my little sister and i pass out..
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