Thread: Soreness

It's normal.

Yeah, its normal. It also means you worked out the muscle very well which is a good thing. But you should never be extremely sore because you might be over training.

If you dont have the soreness then you are doing something wrong.

you guys are WAY off. soreness (the buildup of lactic acid) in NO WAY indicates hypertrophy. im sore right now because i took a couple months off, but within another week or two, i wont get sore anymore. and that doesnt mean im not gaining. i rarely am sore after i lift but ive put on over 40 lbs of LBM in the last few years. obviously i must have experienced hypertrophy somewhere in there in order for my muscles to grow, yet its rare that im sore.

it IS normal to be sore, but don't get the "no pain, no gain" idea running through your head. it can be an indicator of overtraining, which is worse than undertraining.

Darrell is correct. I also don't get sore anymore, but it doesn't mean I'm not making gains. I got extremely sore in the very beginning, but it just kind of tapered off for me. Soreness, as said above, is not an indicator of growth or stimulation. I can't get into this very deep, but I know it's true, and I'm sure someone can provide the real explanation for it if you want it.

I'm not as painfully sore as i used to be in the beginning.. it's milder now, more like if i touch the muscle it will hurt rather than movements.

from my discussions with a personal trainer (here it comes) soreness is not cause from lactic acid buildup, lactic acid causes the burn you feal but it is pumped out of the muscle shortly after exercise. Instead, muscle tearing is what causes this soreness. What helps me with soreness is making sure i get my post workout carbs

If you dont have the soreness then you are doing something wrong.

Bollox

Believe it or not many of the major colleges are now putting their athletes in a very cold whirpool right after a hard workout and then immediatly going to a hot tub. The idea is to get the blood out of the muscle for a short period of time as to avoid the "pump". I know, I know the "pump" is what we live for, but it is the opinion of many of the nations leading trainers that the "pump" doesn't do anything for an athlete except restrict their movements.

I played squash yesterday and my right delt is the more sore then any shoulder workout i have ever hand its because of all the lactic acid I built up in them also i never train with high reps or have done any sport similar to that in about a year! does it mean i am growning, does it f**k lol not in a million years!!

Originally Posted by DimebagDarrell

you guys are WAY off. soreness (the buildup of lactic acid) in NO WAY indicates hypertrophy. im sore right now because i took a couple months off, but within another week or two, i wont get sore anymore. and that doesnt mean im not gaining. i rarely am sore after i lift but ive put on over 40 lbs of LBM in the last few years. obviously i must have experienced hypertrophy somewhere in there in order for my muscles to grow, yet its rare that im sore.

it IS normal to be sore, but don't get the "no pain, no gain" idea running through your head. it can be an indicator of overtraining, which is worse than undertraining.

where did anyone equate soreness to hypertrophy?

I read this recently:

"Probably one of the most popular explanations is the accumulation of lactic acid in the muscles. Popular yes, correct, no. Blood and muscle lactate levels typically return to normal values after 30-60 minutes of recovery.
Eccentric exercise produces the most severe muscle soreness but requires relatively low energy expenditure (even less than needed for concentric exercise). Therefore if lactic acid were to cause delayed onset muscle soreness (DOMS), then muscle soreness would be expected to be greater after exercise with a higher metabolic cost (concentric activity). In addition, we know from bitter experience that the pain associated with delayed onset muscle soreness (DOMS) peaks after 24-72 hours. When we consider that lactate concentrations return to pre-exercise levels within 60 minutes it seem ludicrous to suggest that the two are somehow related.

Subsequent research has suggested that damage to the muscle ultra structure and connective tissue may be responsible for delayed onset muscle soreness (DOMS). It is suggested that a sequence of events starting with exercise causes muscle damage and then muscle protein breakdown, resulting in cell inflammation and increased local muscle temperature. As a result pain receptors are activated, causing the sensation of delayed onset muscle soreness (DOMS). Further research suggests that muscle damage alone may not be the best explanation for the cause of delayed onset muscle soreness (DOMS). Inflammation and swelling should also be considered as they also activate and sensitise pain sensors around the muscle fibres."

"Lactic acid (lactate) is not:

• responsible for the burn in the leg muscles when exercising very fast
• responsible for the soreness you experience in the 48 hours following a hard session
• a waste product

Lactate, which is produced by the body all day long, is resynthesized by the liver (Cori Cycle) to form glucose which provides you with more energy. Sounds like a friend to me"

Originally Posted by ChrisROCK

where did anyone equate soreness to hypertrophy?

because hypertrophy is required in order to build new muscle, therefore it was implicit.

you didnt answer the question...but ok.