People's Definition of Strength

rangers97 · 05-06-2005, 07:36 AM

I am trying to figure out what everyone thinks is the better show of strength:

(We will use the bench press for example, but it is the same for anything I guess)

1. Bench press 300lbs once or twice

or

2. Bench press 250lbs 8-10 times

So my question is basically, what is your definition of strength? Is it the ability to lift a very heavy weight once or twice or is it the ability to lift a pretty heavy weight numerous times? Now before you argue that if you can bench 250 8 times in all likelihood you can probably get 300 up once, remember that it doesn't really work both ways....if you train in low reps and get up to 300lbs, that doesn't necessarily mean you will be able to do 250 8 times.

That being said I would argue that doing the 250 8-10 times is a better show of overall strength, because it is harder to do heavy weight for higher reps than real heavy weight for low reps.

What do you all think?

Doublebase · 05-06-2005, 08:09 AM

I guess the person doing the more reps would have better muscle endurance. As for brute strength, the person doing the 300lbs once takes it. I don't like this topic.

rangers97 · 05-06-2005, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Doublebase

I guess the person doing the more reps would have better muscle endurance. As for brute strength, the person doing the 300lbs once takes it. I don't like this topic.

I didn't ask if you liked this topic, I asked what you thought would be considered more overall strength. If you didn't like it, don't reply

Doublebase · 05-06-2005, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by rangers97

I didn't ask if you liked this topic, I asked what you thought would be considered more overall strength. If you didn't like it, don't reply

shut up. I told you what I thought and I just added a little more. Relax.

rangers97 · 05-06-2005, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Doublebase

shut up. I told you what I thought and I just added a little more. Relax.

rangers97 · 05-06-2005, 08:20 AM

ok since Mr. Doublebase didn't like this topic, I will clarify...What do you think is more impressive of the two scenarios?

Doublebase · 05-06-2005, 08:30 AM

The heavier weight.

**Mudge** · 05-06-2005, 09:23 AM

250x8 = 310 1RM
250x10 = 325 1RM
300x2 = 318 1RM

10 reps for me wont increase bench strength any longer, I never touch those kind of reps unless its a warmup.

rangers97 · 05-06-2005, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Mudge

250x8 = 310 1RM
250x10 = 325 1RM
300x2 = 318 1RM

10 reps for me wont increase bench strength any longer, I never touch those kind of reps unless its a warmup.

so by your example, it seems you can get to the same point doing either method,,,so I guess in a real world setting, it boils down to would you rather be able to move an extremely heavy object for 5 feet, or a little less heavy object for 15 feet? It all boils down to numbers I think. Is the added muscular endurance better for you in normal situations? Of course, this does not apply for anyone competing in power lifting or any contests like that, where numbers are what matters. But 250 lbs is a lot of weight for a bench press, at least to mere mortals it is a lot, and to be able to do that 10 times seems to me a lot more difficult than lifting the 50 more pounds twice, because you have to be both strong and have the capacity to do it 10 times.

I guess, how much carryover is there to real life situations? If I can deadlift 300 pounds twice, what is the correlation to the real world? Would I be able to lift 300 pound bags of whatever? Likewise, if I could deadlift 250 pounds 10 times, does that mean I can lift 250 lb bags of whatever and hold them 5 times longer than I can carry the 300lb bag? Do you want to be able to lift heavy things for short spurts of time or a little less heavy things for longer periods of time? does that make sense?

devildog88 · 05-06-2005, 10:12 AM

I just want muscles on top of muscles! If that means that I work out with 150 lbs on bench then so be it. Because it all boils down to what you think of yourself and how you look. If you were a fat ass who can lift 250 lbs 10 times and you are standing next to a guy that is ripped on a beach who would get the most chicks???

naturaltan · 05-06-2005, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by devildog88

If you were a fat ass who can lift 250 lbs 10 times and you are standing next to a guy that is ripped on a beach who would get the most chicks???

if the fat ass was dangling keys to his BMW, he would get the most chicks

LAM · 05-06-2005, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rangers97

I am trying to figure out what everyone thinks is the better show of strength:

(We will use the bench press for example, but it is the same for anything I guess)

1. Bench press 300lbs once or twice

or

2. Bench press 250lbs 8-10 times

So my question is basically, what is your definition of strength? Is it the ability to lift a very heavy weight once or twice or is it the ability to lift a pretty heavy weight numerous times? Now before you argue that if you can bench 250 8 times in all likelihood you can probably get 300 up once, remember that it doesn't really work both ways....if you train in low reps and get up to 300lbs, that doesn't necessarily mean you will be able to do 250 8 times.

That being said I would argue that doing the 250 8-10 times is a better show of overall strength, because it is harder to do heavy weight for higher reps than real heavy weight for low reps.

What do you all think?

for me it all depends on the persons BW. a 200 lber benching 250 is not impressive but a 150 lb guy benching 250 is.

devildog88 · 05-06-2005, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by naturaltan

if the fat ass was dangling keys to his BMW, he would get the most chicks

LMAO!!!! You have a point!

Witmaster · 05-06-2005, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by naturaltan

if the fat ass was dangling keys to his BMW, he would get the most chicks

How to spot a rich guy:

Yanick · 05-06-2005, 12:52 PM

they are both strength, just different types of strength.

in Hatfield's Power: A Scientific Approach he goes over this but a little differently.

lets say we have a marathon runner and a powerlifter...two guys that are on the opposite end of the spectrum (endurance vs. strength). now we set up an exercise where the guys have to carry 5 50lb sand bags up 2 flights of stairs for time. who do you think will win?

so you see there really is no clear cut way of answering what strength is, there are lots of different types of strength and picking what is more impressive is irrelevant IMO, kindda like a 'whats your favorite color' type thing.

i mean seeing an 800lb bench is very impressive, but then again i saw a guy squat 225x98(his bodyweight)...both very impressive feats of strength which is more impressive? who really cares?

rangers97 · 05-06-2005, 01:27 PM

ok how about instead of which is more impressive, which has more carry-over to be more functional for everyday life?

slider · 05-06-2005, 01:31 PM

The best answer is what are you trainning for that is what is most impresive if you are showboat at a show it has nothing to do with reps it is hypertrophy and BF. if you are a powerlifter one rep 5 pounds more than everyone else is impresive. If you are an enduarance athlete more 10x10 that is heavier is more impreive. IF you are FAT personality with ladies is more impresive. if 2 guys are exactly the same build it go's to penis size and testicle girth.

IDENTIFY YOUR CIRLCE AND THEN YOU CAN BETTER IMPRESSIVE/SHOW OFF

to anyone with inteligence positvie gain is all ways impressive because who else are you lifting/competing for when you are standing on the tallest podium?? your just up there all by yourself

largepkg · 05-06-2005, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by rangers97

ok how about instead of which is more impressive, which has more carry-over to be more functional for everyday life?

Again, you're asking the same question.

Everyday life of whom? Blue collar guy/girl, white collar guy/girl, specifics of each? They're way to many variables for this to be a relevant question. Besides, the mass of todays population will never need this kind of strength in there everyday life.

Flex · 05-06-2005, 02:07 PM

I have an idea

Who gives a shit?

largepkg · 05-06-2005, 02:14 PM

Thanks Flex. I was trying to say that in the nicest way possible.

Doublebase · 05-06-2005, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Flex

I have an idea

Who gives a shit?

Thats what I'm saying. I hate this topic.

Yanick · 05-06-2005, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Doublebase

Thats what I'm saying. I hate this topic.

this is actually a very interesting topic as it touches on something that not many people realize. there are different kinds of strength and each has its own merit. most people tend to think 1rm is the only way to gauge strength, however that is just one form of it. the only thing that is irrelevant in this discussion is what is more impressive because that is just like asking what is your favorite color? we can all learn something from this thread...no need in being so negative.

if you want real world strength, you need to start strongman training. nothing more functional than "just find some heavy stuff and pick it up in as many different ways as you can."

Doublebase · 05-06-2005, 02:39 PM

One night I was at this party and they had an empty keg there. We all decided to have a little competition to see who could throw it the furthest. I went up against this fat kid. He tore me apart. Throw it almost 15 feet further then me. He doesn't lift or anything. He probably couldn't run as long as me, do as many jumping jacks or push-ups. Does that make me stronger?

**Mudge** · 05-06-2005, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by rangers97

ok how about instead of which is more impressive, which has more carry-over to be more functional for everyday life?

Neither. Same with the deadlifting example. Deadlifting 300 pounds, is not going to mean you can carry 300 pounds of anything, or pick up 300 pounds of anything. Odd shapes, uneven weight distribution, and so forth make that difficult. A 7 foot Olympic bar does not mirror real life very well. I carried a straight 6 short block (no head, complete bottom end) up 4 flights of stairs, and it felt far heavier than it was. If it were on a handy dandy bar where I could put it on my back, then it would have been much easier.

If you want those kind of results then look into strongman, but then again I dont know who goes around carrying 300 pound kegs over their heads every day.

**Mudge** · 05-06-2005, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Doublebase

He doesn't lift or anything. He probably couldn't run as long as me, do as many jumping jacks or push-ups. Does that make me stronger?

He has the advantage of body momentum. Every action imparts an equal but opposite reaction, other than frictional issues.

It would be very supprising for him to run as well as you or have the same endurance in general, but that is not a measurement of strength.

Triple Threat · 05-06-2005, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Flex

Who gives a shit?

Dale Mabry.

05-06-2005, 07:36 AM	#1
rangers97 2006 Stanley Cup Champs! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: New York Posts: 245	People's Definition of Strength I am trying to figure out what everyone thinks is the better show of strength: (We will use the bench press for example, but it is the same for anything I guess) 1. Bench press 300lbs once or twice or 2. Bench press 250lbs 8-10 times So my question is basically, what is your definition of strength? Is it the ability to lift a very heavy weight once or twice or is it the ability to lift a pretty heavy weight numerous times? Now before you argue that if you can bench 250 8 times in all likelihood you can probably get 300 up once, remember that it doesn't really work both ways....if you train in low reps and get up to 300lbs, that doesn't necessarily mean you will be able to do 250 8 times. That being said I would argue that doing the 250 8-10 times is a better show of overall strength, because it is harder to do heavy weight for higher reps than real heavy weight for low reps. What do you all think?

05-06-2005, 09:23 AM	#8
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,071 Photos: 1	250x8 = 310 1RM 250x10 = 325 1RM 300x2 = 318 1RM 10 reps for me wont increase bench strength any longer, I never touch those kind of reps unless its a warmup.
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05-06-2005, 10:12 AM	#10
devildog88 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 795 Photos: 1	I just want muscles on top of muscles! If that means that I work out with 150 lbs on bench then so be it. Because it all boils down to what you think of yourself and how you look. If you were a fat ass who can lift 250 lbs 10 times and you are standing next to a guy that is ripped on a beach who would get the most chicks???
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05-06-2005, 12:52 PM	#15
Yanick Amor Fati Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,798	they are both strength, just different types of strength. in Hatfield's Power: A Scientific Approach he goes over this but a little differently. lets say we have a marathon runner and a powerlifter...two guys that are on the opposite end of the spectrum (endurance vs. strength). now we set up an exercise where the guys have to carry 5 50lb sand bags up 2 flights of stairs for time. who do you think will win? so you see there really is no clear cut way of answering what strength is, there are lots of different types of strength and picking what is more impressive is irrelevant IMO, kindda like a 'whats your favorite color' type thing. i mean seeing an 800lb bench is very impressive, but then again i saw a guy squat 225x98(his bodyweight)...both very impressive feats of strength which is more impressive? who really cares?
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05-06-2005, 08:09 AM	#2
Doublebase Lightweight, Ya Buddy! Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Philly Posts: 6,633	I guess the person doing the more reps would have better muscle endurance. As for brute strength, the person doing the 300lbs once takes it. I don't like this topic.

05-06-2005, 08:20 AM	#6
rangers97 2006 Stanley Cup Champs! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: New York Posts: 245	ok since Mr. Doublebase didn't like this topic, I will clarify...What do you think is more impressive of the two scenarios?

05-06-2005, 08:30 AM	#7
Doublebase Lightweight, Ya Buddy! Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Philly Posts: 6,633	The heavier weight.

05-06-2005, 01:27 PM	#16
rangers97 2006 Stanley Cup Champs! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: New York Posts: 245	ok how about instead of which is more impressive, which has more carry-over to be more functional for everyday life?

05-06-2005, 01:31 PM	#17
slider CRAPTASTIC!!! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: idaho Posts: 88 Photos: 1	The best answer is what are you trainning for that is what is most impresive if you are showboat at a show it has nothing to do with reps it is hypertrophy and BF. if you are a powerlifter one rep 5 pounds more than everyone else is impresive. If you are an enduarance athlete more 10x10 that is heavier is more impreive. IF you are FAT personality with ladies is more impresive. if 2 guys are exactly the same build it go's to penis size and testicle girth. IDENTIFY YOUR CIRLCE AND THEN YOU CAN BETTER IMPRESSIVE/SHOW OFF to anyone with inteligence positvie gain is all ways impressive because who else are you lifting/competing for when you are standing on the tallest podium?? your just up there all by yourself

05-06-2005, 02:14 PM	#20
largepkg Senior Fucknut Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: S FLA Posts: 3,140 Photos: 2	Thanks Flex. I was trying to say that in the nicest way possible.

05-06-2005, 02:39 PM	#23
Doublebase Lightweight, Ya Buddy! Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Philly Posts: 6,633	One night I was at this party and they had an empty keg there. We all decided to have a little competition to see who could throw it the furthest. I went up against this fat kid. He tore me apart. Throw it almost 15 feet further then me. He doesn't lift or anything. He probably couldn't run as long as me, do as many jumping jacks or push-ups. Does that make me stronger?

05-06-2005, 05:15 PM	#27
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