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Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Lets clear up the misrepresentation of physiology Lam has so foolishly put forth.

HYPERTROPHY: Growth of an organ or tissue due to an increase in the size of its cells. Hypertrophy is a normal response of skeletal muscle cells when they are challenged to lift excessive weight.

SIZE OF THE MUSCLE FIBERS STIMULATED
The bulkier the muscle ( the greater its cross-sectional area), the more tension it can develop and the greater its strength. Regular exercise increases muscle force by causing muscle cells to hypertrophy or increase in size.

I think these simple examples or definitions make it very clear that muscle cells grow bigger ( hypertrophy) from weight training...I must have missed the part that explains how special weight training can cause muscle hypertrophy and decrease or just maintain strength

When you try and use basic Physiology words, it's best to understand their meaning....Read up first Mr. Lam then discuss..

gr...567 "RAW and natural" is above the currant world record at 220 and 242...

932 posts and you still no usefull information from you.

Originally Posted by LAM

932 posts and you still no usefull information from you.

Read...........please you are embarrassing yourself when you misuse Physiology terms

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

I think these simple examples or definitions make it very clear that muscle cells grow bigger ( hypertrophy) from weight training...I must have missed the part that explains how special weight training can cause muscle hypertrophy and decrease or just maintain strength

Who said you won't get stronger from lifting for hyperthrophy? The training is more oriented to make your muscles grow, but it still makes you stronger.

Originally Posted by ihateschoolmt

Who said you won't get stronger from lifting for hyperthrophy? The training is more oriented to make your muscles grow, but it still makes you stronger.

If you read the definitions you would see that Hypertrophy and strength go hand and hand...Lam dosen't understand the words he is using

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Read...........please you are embarrassing yourself when you misuse Physiology terms

it's called sarcoplasmic hypertrophy jackass...

Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy involves the growth of the sarcoplasm (fluid like substance) and non-contractile proteins that do not directly contribute to muscular force production. Filament area density decreases while cross-sectional area increases, without a significant increase in strength

seriously Foreman just stop. you are a complete joke and know nothing about the science behind this sport

Originally Posted by LAM

it's called sarcoplasmic hypertrophy jackass...

Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy involves the growth of the sarcoplasm (fluid like substance) and non-contractile proteins that do not directly contribute to muscular force production. Filament area density decreases while cross-sectional area increases, without a significant increase in strength

seriously Foreman just stop. you are a complete joke and know nothing about the science behind this sport

Here's the full artical

Hey HyDr8,

Great Thread. Good to see you (and so many others) still faithful to the training. Inspires me and others.

Please don't take this "hijacking" personally. Sometimes we have a tendency to get a little passionate here with no regards for where we choose to unload.

Kinda like seeing a fist-fight break out between parents at a little league soccer game.

Originally Posted by LAM

it's called sarcoplasmic hypertrophy jackass...

Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy involves the growth of the sarcoplasm (fluid like substance) and non-contractile proteins that do not directly contribute to muscular force production. Filament area density decreases while cross-sectional area increases, without a significant increase in strength

seriously Foreman just stop. you are a complete joke and know nothing about the science behind this sport

I love it give us more bullsh1t pseudo science
Read some real Physiology Lam.

ihateschool....I read the article, very interesting but if you noticed the 1 source they list is not very credible. Its best to avoid these flavor of the month bodybuilding/pseudo science sites. At best if there is any real documented truth to that article and what it's preaching you might get some very small temporary gains...Monday I'll look into this at ASU's Physiology Dept and see what I come up with...I'm sure they will get a kick out of this crap.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

ihateschool....I read the article, very interesting but if you noticed the 1 source they list is not very credible. Its best to avoid these flavor of the month bodybuilding/pseudo science sites. At best if there is any real documented truth to that article and what it's preaching you might get some very small temporary gains...Monday I'll look into this at ASU's Physiology Dept and see what I come up with...I'm sure they will get a kick out of this crap.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that someone is going to gain 30 pounds of muscle and not get stronger, but there is not a linear corralation between the two. The TUT (time under tension) plays the biggest role training wise as to if you will get bigger or stronger. That is why some people will argue olympic lifting is not optimal for hypertrophy.

He We Go Sports Fans Another Mess On ???????????

Originally Posted by Tough Old Man

He We Go Sports Fans Another Mess On ???????????

No, this is simply a debate. There wont be any name calling, at least on my part.

There is a solid distinction between size and strength. The two are interrelated to some degree, but not so much as many think.

There is myofibrilar hypertrophy, which increases the cross sectional area of contractile proteins. Therefore, this will lead to a significant increase in strength.

There is sarcoplasmic hypertrophy, which merely leads to an increase in fluid in one's muscle, but provides no appreciable gains in strength.

Also, there is something called neuromuscular efficiency, which has several components. The most basic item in this list is an increase in the efficiency of the usage of motor units. Basically, your body can use more existing muscle fibers simultaneously. As stated, there are several other pieces to this puzzle (Intermuscular coordination, rate coding, and synchronization), but increased motor unit efficiency is probably the most important of them all.

Beyond all this, you must take into consideration one's biomechanics. For example, if the distance between the pit of your elbow to a barbell in your hand is 14 inches, and it is 17 inches for someone else, then the person with 17 inch forearms is going to experience just over a 20% increase in force when trying to curl a barbell of equal weight.

Basically, the only item that will result in an increase in both size and strength is myofibrilar hypertrophy. Any of the other items involved will only benefit one side or the other.