Is it the squeeze of the muscle that gives us the size?

Unsivilized · 06-16-2005, 02:21 AM

Hey,

I have been training with an ex bodybuilder and he has been telling me to squeeze my muscles at the end of each rep, as hard as I can. By doin this I am forced to lower the weight i use. Last back session I have never felt such a pump before. With lat pulldowns he was telling me to bring the bar down by pulling my lats down first and then with my arms. At the bottom of each rep he said to tense my lats. I was forced to lower the weight by about 20kgs but yet I still recevied the biggest pump I have ever got.

By squeezing/tensing my muscles after each rep does this send more blood into the muscles? Will this help me grow faster?

Thanx,
Unsivilized

**CowPimp** · 06-16-2005, 02:40 AM

Getting a better pump has virtually nothing to do with hypertrophy.

TJ Cline · 06-16-2005, 02:55 AM

You have been given good advise, better form and a foll ROM will give you better hypertrophy ( ie. muscle growth and increased strength).

**CowPimp** · 06-16-2005, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ForemanRules

You have been given good advise, better form and a foll ROM will give you better hypertrophy ( ie. muscle growth and increased strength).

Of course a greater ROM and good form is essential. However, what he is asking is if forcefully squeezing your muscles at the peak contraction point is superior at promoting hypertrophy. I think not, but if you can find some studies stating otherwise then I am open to the idea.

Unsivilized · 06-16-2005, 03:13 AM

What I mainly wanted to know if it was good form and if the squeezing helped growth. Sorry if i dind;t get my point accross on my previous post.

Thanx

**CowPimp** · 06-16-2005, 03:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unsivilized

What I mainly wanted to know if it was good form and if the squeezing helped growth. Sorry if i dind;t get my point accross on my previous post.

Thanx

Regardless of its affect on hypertrophy, you should always use good form. Poor form is a one-way ticket to injury in a lot of lifts.

TJ Cline · 06-16-2005, 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by CowPimp

Of course a greater ROM and good form is essential. However, what he is asking is if forcefully squeezing your muscles at the peak contraction point is superior at promoting hypertrophy. I think not, but if you can find some studies stating otherwise then I am open to the idea.

I would love you to show me some studies that state bouncing , cheating, and sloppy form while lifting creates better hypertrophy

**CowPimp** · 06-16-2005, 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ForemanRules

I would love you to show me some studies that state bouncing , cheating, and sloppy form while lifting creates better hypertrophy

First, show me where I said anything like that.

Unsivilized · 06-16-2005, 03:35 AM

may i ask wat hypertrophy means please?

**CowPimp** · 06-16-2005, 03:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unsivilized

may i ask wat hypertrophy means please?

Hypertrophy is the incease in the size of the cells in an organ or tissue. In the context of these forums, it basically means muscle growth.

Unsivilized · 06-16-2005, 03:51 AM

cheers

TJ Cline · 06-16-2005, 04:11 AM

Hypertrophy: Growth of an organ or tissue due to an increase in the size of its cells. Hypertrophy is a normal response of skeletal muscle cells when they are challenged to lift excessive weight......Muscle growth and strength go hand and hand.
You deserve the real definition of this term.

TJ Cline · 06-16-2005, 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by CowPimp

First, show me where I said anything like that.

You didn't think proper form mattered...so I told him it did.

99hawkins · 06-16-2005, 05:17 AM

Unsiv - That's correct. Do what he says.

chunky34 · 06-16-2005, 05:46 AM

Peak contraction s**ks.

Hypertrophy occurs when you break down tissues, and this breakdown occurs mostly during the negative phase of the exercise. That's why, if your goal is hypertrophy, you should always use a controlled motion.

The Monkey Man · 06-16-2005, 08:19 AM

I'm not going to read this whole thing...

Has anyone addressed the FLUSHING principal?

BigDyl · 06-16-2005, 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CowPimp

Hypertrophy is the incease in the size of the cells in an organ or tissue. In the context of these forums, it basically means muscle growth.

Where have you been? I haven't seen you post in like 27 years.

**Mudge** · 06-16-2005, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ForemanRules

You didn't think proper form mattered...so I told him it did.

I've seen very huge guys with shitty form, in person. I could also site Ronnie Coleman.

**CowPimp** · 06-16-2005, 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

You didn't think proper form mattered...so I told him it did.

Wrong. I said the following:

Quote:

Regardless of its affect on hypertrophy, you should always use good form. Poor form is a one-way ticket to injury in a lot of lifts.

and...

Quote:

Of course a greater ROM and good form is essential.

I didn't even say whether there was any relation to hypertrophy or not. I said that the effect on hypertrophy is moot, because you should be using good form whether it aids muscle growth or not.

reg56 · 06-16-2005, 04:18 PM

count it

Unsivilized · 06-16-2005, 04:30 PM

What is the FLUSHING Principle?

The Monkey Man · 06-16-2005, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Unsivilized

What is the FLUSHING Principle?

Hitting a constant flow of sets/repititions, so as to move as much blood into the target muscle or muscle area(ex=bicep peak)as possible

"The reps will be a constant, piston-like motion with no pause at the beginning or end. Some people these days refer to this as 'blood-volume' training, but it's really nothing more than what we used to call the Flushing Principle back in the old days of Larry Scott and Arnold" ~Ron Harris~

There also (I think) in Weider Principals, used to be a set formula to get the max effect ----- IE... ( % of 1rm x sets x reps, etc)

Tough Old Man · 06-16-2005, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unsivilized

What is the FLUSHING Principle?

Flushing. It's throwing shit in the toilet and pushing down on the handle

Tough Old Man · 06-16-2005, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mudge

I've seen very huge guys with shitty form, in person. I could also site Ronnie Coleman.

I have to agree with Mr. M on this one. If we performed perfect form on all bodybuilding exercises, we would be lifting the amount of weights that the little girl next door to you lifts. NOW REPLY TO THAT!......Come on Eric and spike give me a little SH....IT on this bro's as I have it coming......

Flex · 06-16-2005, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mudge

I've seen very huge guys with shitty form, in person. I could also site Ronnie Coleman.

2 things to say to this:

1. With the amount of juice he's on, he'll still grow

2. Related to #1, he STILL has a great MM connection (since on juice you can feel your muscles squeeze SO much more), thus he can still concentrate on squeezing the correct muscles, even if he has sloppy form

Flex · 06-16-2005, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unsivilized

What I mainly wanted to know if it was good form and if the squeezing helped growth. Sorry if i dind;t get my point accross on my previous post.

Thanx

Yes, it absolutely does.....just not in the way you're thinking.

What i mean is, by giving it a peak contraction, you are making sure you're using the correct muscles when doing any given exercize (ie lat pulldowns).

Personally, i've dropped weight on most exercizes I do and have never grown so much. Take biceps for example. On a preacher bench, with only 20lb db's, I concentrate on squeezing them up, peaking them at the top, then slowly lowering them by maintaining tension on biceps. Not only do you get great pumps, but hypertrophy is definitely occuring as well.

On the contrary, I always see old dudes that have been "slaving" away in the gym for years on end with weights that are too heavy (but not for their egos), and they continue to fling the weight up with all the momentum their body is capable of, yet, for some reason, they don't question themselves with something as simple as "why the fuck haven't I grown after all these years?"

The Monkey Man · 06-16-2005, 07:42 PM

There is no answer to one who won't switch up a workout!?!?

Tough Old Man · 06-16-2005, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flex

Yes, it absolutely does.....just not in the way you're thinking.

What i mean is, by giving it a peak contraction, you are making sure you're using the correct muscles when doing any given exercize (ie lat pulldowns).

Personally, i've dropped weight on most exercizes I do and have never grown so much. Take biceps for example. On a preacher bench, with only 20lb db's, I concentrate on squeezing them up, peaking them at the top, then slowly lowering them by maintaining tension on biceps. Not only do you get great pumps, but hypertrophy is definitely occuring as well.

On the contrary, I always see old dudes that have been "slaving" away in the gym for years on end with weights that are too heavy (but not for their egos), and they continue to fling the weight up with all the momentum their body is capable of, yet, for some reason, they don't question themselves with something as simple as "why the fuck ha

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TJ Cline Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,544	Hypertrophy: Growth of an organ or tissue due to an increase in the size of its cells. Hypertrophy is a normal response of skeletal muscle cells when they are challenged to lift excessive weight......Muscle growth and strength go hand and hand. You deserve the real definition of this term.
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Unsivilized Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 47	Is it the squeeze of the muscle that gives us the size? Hey, I have been training with an ex bodybuilder and he has been telling me to squeeze my muscles at the end of each rep, as hard as I can. By doin this I am forced to lower the weight i use. Last back session I have never felt such a pump before. With lat pulldowns he was telling me to bring the bar down by pulling my lats down first and then with my arms. At the bottom of each rep he said to tense my lats. I was forced to lower the weight by about 20kgs but yet I still recevied the biggest pump I have ever got. By squeezing/tensing my muscles after each rep does this send more blood into the muscles? Will this help me grow faster? Thanx, Unsivilized

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Unsivilized Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 47	What I mainly wanted to know if it was good form and if the squeezing helped growth. Sorry if i dind;t get my point accross on my previous post. Thanx

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Unsivilized Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 47	may i ask wat hypertrophy means please?

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