Dumbell vs. Straight Bar Bench

Mule · 08-08-2001, 08:14 PM

Hehehehe, funny mule, but HEY its TSB not STB you dummass!!!

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[Edited 3 times, lastly by Scotty the Body on 08-09-2001 at 09:51 AM]

Mace · 08-08-2001, 11:06 PM

Back to the topic of discussion...

I would have to say the whole thing is apples and oranges... Similar exercises, different pourposes, (like cambered bar curls and alternate DB curls).

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[Edited 1 time by Mace on 08-09-2001 at 12:16 AM]

Charger · 08-09-2001, 03:51 AM

Agreed, good signature

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ALBOB · 08-10-2001, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheSupremeBeing:
For this reason you experience rapid progress when first using an exercise then as you continue using the exercise progress becomes slower and slower. At this point many people recommend switching up your routine to spark new progress, this is the exact opposite of what should be done! After this initial optimization the nervous system will have trained itself to recruit muscle fibers maximally in the given movement, in other words only AFTER the initial rapid progress can a muscle be maximally stimulated!

Help me out here, if I keep making all this "rapid progress" by switching movements occasionally, how is that bad? I kind of like rapid progress.

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junebug · 08-10-2001, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mule:
Hehehehe, funny mule, but HEY its TSB not STB you dummass!!!

Mule you are killing me. Talk about irony of all ironies. It's Dumbass not dummass. Now that was funny

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Scotty the Body · 08-10-2001, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by junebug:
Mule you are killing me. Talk about irony of all ironies. It's Dumbass not dummass. Now that was funny

hahahaha, that was me editing Mules post, I was trying to do it fast before TSB saw it and flamed him back, guess I'm the "dummass" lol

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TheSupremeBeing · 08-10-2001, 03:35 PM

Because the rapid progress is specific to that movement and is purely neural, only after the rapid progress (neural optimization) is complete does muscle growth occur.

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Charger · 08-10-2001, 06:02 PM

Maybe if we all just think really hard like TSB our muscles will grow. maybe if we spend all our time on the net posting our words of wisdom instead of in the gym sweeting we will get huge!

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08-10-2001, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Charger:
Maybe if we all just think really hard like TSB our muscles will grow. maybe if we spend all our time on the net posting our words of wisdom instead of in the gym sweeting we will get huge!

TSB needs at least 100 grams of protein for brain recovery after his research of each post.

**I Are Baboon** · 08-10-2001, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Charger:
Maybe if we all just think really hard like TSB our muscles will grow. maybe if we spend all our time on the net posting our words of wisdom instead of in the gym sweeting we will get huge!

Hot damn! I'm gonna try that!!! **Baboon with eyes closed tight , fists clenched, thinking REAL hard**

I'll let you know how it works out!

**Prince** · 08-10-2001, 07:33 PM

Okay, here's my two cents!

TSB does have some good advice and he is very good at posting scientific research.

However, if bodybuilding, nutrition, supplements and weight training were as black and white as he tries to make it out to be, there would be no reason to have discussion boards. We could all read a book and get huge. But this is not the case. There is a lot of grey area in bodybuilding, and everybody responds differently to things.

I believe in using real world experience with a bit of science as guide lines. And beyond that you just have to find out what works for you. This can be facilitated by hearing about other peoples experience with supplements, routines, diets, etc.

There is no ultimate book or person that has an answer for every individual when it comes to bodybuilding.

You must remember TSB is young, and with youth comes ignorance and a lack of real world life experience. I am sure he means well when he posts his scientific evidence for every question on this board, but he is too young to understand that only with age comes wisdom.

As many of you know who are "older", this is a very typical teenage attitude. Remember the saying "when I was a teenager I knew everything!"

So, what I'm trying to convey is that you should not let TSB or any other teenage "know it all" cause such animosity and anger.

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Charger · 08-10-2001, 07:48 PM

Sorry Prince but I have to disagree. Regardless of someone's age they need to show respect for other members which TSB clearly doesn't, and frankly I am getting tired of it!
You should promote respect and teach this to our youth, not condone a brat cussing at us and trying to belittle us on every other post. What kind of example does that set for our other young members?
What has always set this forum apart from the others is the people! And if left alone, one rotten apple can root a whole barrel of apples.

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junebug · 08-10-2001, 07:50 PM

C'mon Prince. At this point we're having fun with him. Check out the post "new exercise routine".

Also I do not think anyone at this point is arguing his knowledge, they are moreless harping on his communication skills. In addition, do not be fooled by age. Children have a better manners than TSB. I would certainly hope we can agree he does not pass himself off as one with much class.

Enough said in my book

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w8lifter · 08-10-2001, 08:20 PM

Quote:

You must remember TSB is young, and with youth comes ignorance and a lack of real world life experience. I am sure he means well when he posts his scientific evidence for every question on this board, but he is too young to understand that only with age comes wisdom.

Yes, but given the number of times he's been kicked off just about every bb forum, you'd think he'd grow up a little. If TSB is able to comprehend the vast and often complicated information that he obviously reads, he should be capable of showing a little respect to another person's opinion.

TSB, you're knowledge is obviously welcome, not only here but at other forums as well. May I suggest a 10-second typing timeout before you post; it may help your communication skills considerably

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**Prince** · 08-10-2001, 08:49 PM

Since all three of you failed to see my point, I guess I will re-close this thread.

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TheSupremeBeing · 08-10-2001, 09:17 PM

First off, I have no reason to respect any of you. Respect is something you earn, I figured with all of the real world experience you guys possess you would know this. I also find the hypocrisy on this board very funny, Charger saying I don't know how to train and he is a pudgy old hairy man? Bahahaha! I figured with all the shit he talks he would at least looks he works out.

Anyhow, to adress some criticisms (as if i give a shit)...

"Maybe if we all just think really hard like TSB our muscles will grow. maybe if we spend all our time on the net posting our words of wisdom instead of in the gym sweeting we will get huge!"

For all the time you spend in the gym "Sweeting", you don't even look like you workout, perhaps you're doing something wrong? Maybe if you took a little advice from me, Maki, ballast or others more knowledgable than you, you would make some progress.

"TSB needs at least 100 grams of protein for brain recovery after his research of each post."

Um, ya.

"Okay, here's my two cents!
TSB does have some good advice and he is very good at posting scientific research."

Don't confuse knowledge of how the body works with research. Research is unreliable because there are many problems associated with it, and many criticisms can be made discrediting said research. Exercise science (physiology, anatomy, endicronology, etc) is very reliable, in that 90% of it is universally accpeted (nothing is "proven", just accepeted"). The other 10% is basically some of the small details of how what mechanism works or what does more of what over what, and stuff.

"However, if bodybuilding, nutrition, supplements and weight training were as black and white as he tries to make it out to be, there would be no reason to have discussion boards. We could all read a book and get huge. But this is not the case. There is a lot of grey area in bodybuilding, and everybody responds differently to things.

I believe in using real world experience with a bit of science as guide lines. And beyond that you just have to find out what works for you. This can be facilitated by hearing about other peoples experience with supplements, routines, diets, etc."

Genetic differences. Everything works for everyone, if it didn't nobody would grow without years of trial and error. This is where exercise science comes in, you don't waste years of trial and error seeking the secret routine to get big, you base your training around the processes of the body in order to maximize your results. The problem with a lot of you guys is that you don't know how to apply the exercise science, so you assume others do not as well. I happen to train just you like you and everyone else on this forum and I have applied every peice of info I've given on this forum with great results. In fact, if you're interested in how I train and what I do on a day to day basis in regards to weight training then you can read my journal posted on wannabebig:
http://64.21.5.158/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3059

"There is no ultimate book or person that has an answer for every individual when it comes to bodybuilding."

Of course, we should listen to a lot of people and read a lot of books and information.

"You must remember TSB is young, and with youth comes ignorance and a lack of real world life experience. I am sure he means well when he posts his scientific evidence for every question on this board, but he is too young to understand that only with age comes wisdom.

As many of you know who are "older", this is a very typical teenage attitude. Remember the saying "when I was a teenager I knew everything!"

So, what I'm trying to convey is that you should not let TSB or any other teenage "know it all" cause such animosity and anger.""

I don't consider myself as a know-it-all, and I've never said I knew everything. You say I know everything. I am, however, confident in what I say, and if you say something I think is incorrect you're damn right I'm going to call you out on it, and if you question what I say I will defend it. Does this mean I think I know it all? Nope.

"Sorry Prince but I have to disagree. Regardless of someone's age they need to show respect for other members which TSB clearly doesn't, and frankly I am getting tired of it!
You should promote respect and teach this to our youth, not condone a brat cussing at us and trying to belittle us on every other post. What kind of example does that set for our other young members?
What has always set this forum apart from the others is the people! And if left alone, one rotten apple can root a whole barrel of apples."

I have no reason to respect you, you have not given me a reason to respect you. Personally, I don't feel respect is something you automatically recieve, do you respect Charles Manson? How about Timmothy McVeigh?

"C'mon Prince. At this point we're having fun with him. Check out the post "new exercise routine"."

I'm greatly offended.

"Also I do not think anyone at this point is arguing his knowledge, they are moreless harping on his communication skills. In addition, do not be fooled by age. Children have a better manners than TSB. I would certainly hope we can agree he does not pass himself off as one with much class.

Enough said in my book"

That, I can't argue

"Yes, but given the number of times he's been kicked off just about every bb forum, you'd think he'd grow up a little. If TSB is able to comprehend the vast and often complicated information that he obviously reads, he should be capable of showing a little respect to another person's opinion."

I've been kicked off musclemag (along with Paul Stagg, and just about every other knowledgable member they once had) and this forum. After being kicked off this forum I got a few requests to come back, and then i saw Scotty take a shot at me and misquote me so I posted, and got back involved. Most of what people have about me posting here is positive, but god forbid I refute your statement.

"TSB, you're knowledge is obviously welcome, not only here but at other forums as well. May I suggest a 10-second typing timeout before you post; it may help your communication skills considerably"

With my knowledge comes my attitude, so deal wit it

BTW, nice pic.

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08-08-2001, 08:14 PM	#31
Mule Great American Nightmare Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Wheeling Posts: 888	<FONT COLOR="Red">Hehehehe, funny mule, but HEY its TSB not STB you dummass!!! </FONT c> ------------------ Im an Iron Addict! <FONT COLOR="#000002" SIZE="1" FACE="Verdana, Arial">[Edited 3 times, lastly by Scotty the Body on 08-09-2001 at 09:51 AM]</font>

08-08-2001, 11:06 PM	#32
Mace Hungry. Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Rochester, NY USA Posts: 65	Back to the topic of discussion... I would have to say the whole thing is apples and oranges... Similar exercises, different pourposes, (like cambered bar curls and alternate DB curls). ------------------ Never get pulled over with a baggie of whey protein on the passenger seat... <FONT COLOR="#000002" SIZE="1" FACE="Verdana, Arial">[Edited 1 time by Mace on 08-09-2001 at 12:16 AM]</font>

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Charger Pump Junky Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Iowa Posts: 465	Agreed, good signature ------------------ Can't never did nothin,(Dedicated to my father)

08-10-2001, 03:35 PM	#37
TheSupremeBeing Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Chillin' in mah cribb, yo. Posts: 598	Because the rapid progress is specific to that movement and is purely neural, only after the rapid progress (neural optimization) is complete does muscle growth occur. ------------------ Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers.

08-10-2001, 06:02 PM	#38
Charger Pump Junky Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Iowa Posts: 465	Maybe if we all just think really hard like TSB our muscles will grow. maybe if we spend all our time on the net posting our words of wisdom instead of in the gym sweeting we will get huge! ------------------ Can't never did nothin,(Dedicated to my father)

08-10-2001, 07:33 PM	#41
Prince the one & only Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 33,982 Blog Entries: 25 Photos: 320	Okay, here's my two cents! TSB does have some good advice and he is very good at posting scientific research. However, if bodybuilding, nutrition, supplements and weight training were as black and white as he tries to make it out to be, there would be no reason to have discussion boards. We could all read a book and get huge. But this is not the case. There is a lot of grey area in bodybuilding, and everybody responds differently to things. I believe in using real world experience with a bit of science as guide lines. And beyond that you just have to find out what works for you. This can be facilitated by hearing about other peoples experience with supplements, routines, diets, etc. There is no ultimate book or person that has an answer for every individual when it comes to bodybuilding. You must remember TSB is young, and with youth comes ignorance and a lack of real world life experience. I am sure he means well when he posts his scientific evidence for every question on this board, but he is too young to understand that only with age comes wisdom. As many of you know who are "older", this is a very typical teenage attitude. Remember the saying "when I was a teenager I knew everything!" So, what I'm trying to convey is that you should not let TSB or any other teenage "know it all" cause such animosity and anger. ------------------ Just because the majority believes it, does not make it true!

08-10-2001, 07:48 PM	#42
Charger Pump Junky Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Iowa Posts: 465	Sorry Prince but I have to disagree. Regardless of someone's age they need to show respect for other members which TSB clearly doesn't, and frankly I am getting tired of it! You should promote respect and teach this to our youth, not condone a brat cussing at us and trying to belittle us on every other post. What kind of example does that set for our other young members? What has always set this forum apart from the others is the people! And if left alone, one rotten apple can root a whole barrel of apples. ------------------ Can't never did nothin,(Dedicated to my father)

08-10-2001, 07:50 PM	#43
junebug Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Denton, Texas USA Posts: 42	C'mon Prince. At this point we're having fun with him. Check out the post "new exercise routine". Also I do not think anyone at this point is arguing his knowledge, they are moreless harping on his communication skills. In addition, do not be fooled by age. Children have a better manners than TSB. I would certainly hope we can agree he does not pass himself off as one with much class. Enough said in my book ------------------ Limits are only mental.

08-10-2001, 08:49 PM	#45
Prince the one & only Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 33,982 Blog Entries: 25 Photos: 320	Since all three of you failed to see my point, I guess I will re-close this thread. ------------------ Just because the majority believes it, does not make it true!

08-10-2001, 09:17 PM	#46
TheSupremeBeing Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Chillin' in mah cribb, yo. Posts: 598	First off, I have no reason to respect any of you. Respect is something you earn, I figured with all of the real world experience you guys possess you would know this. I also find the hypocrisy on this board very funny, Charger saying I don't know how to train and he is a pudgy old hairy man? Bahahaha! I figured with all the shit he talks he would at least looks he works out. Anyhow, to adress some criticisms (as if i give a shit)... "Maybe if we all just think really hard like TSB our muscles will grow. maybe if we spend all our time on the net posting our words of wisdom instead of in the gym sweeting we will get huge!" For all the time you spend in the gym "Sweeting", you don't even look like you workout, perhaps you're doing something wrong? Maybe if you took a little advice from me, Maki, ballast or others more knowledgable than you, you would make some progress. "TSB needs at least 100 grams of protein for brain recovery after his research of each post." Um, ya. "Okay, here's my two cents! TSB does have some good advice and he is very good at posting scientific research." Don't confuse knowledge of how the body works with research. Research is unreliable because there are many problems associated with it, and many criticisms can be made discrediting said research. Exercise science (physiology, anatomy, endicronology, etc) is very reliable, in that 90% of it is universally accpeted (nothing is "proven", just accepeted"). The other 10% is basically some of the small details of how what mechanism works or what does more of what over what, and stuff. "However, if bodybuilding, nutrition, supplements and weight training were as black and white as he tries to make it out to be, there would be no reason to have discussion boards. We could all read a book and get huge. But this is not the case. There is a lot of grey area in bodybuilding, and everybody responds differently to things. I believe in using real world experience with a bit of science as guide lines. And beyond that you just have to find out what works for you. This can be facilitated by hearing about other peoples experience with supplements, routines, diets, etc." Genetic differences. Everything works for everyone, if it didn't nobody would grow without years of trial and error. This is where exercise science comes in, you don't waste years of trial and error seeking the secret routine to get big, you base your training around the processes of the body in order to maximize your results. The problem with a lot of you guys is that you don't know how to apply the exercise science, so you assume others do not as well. I happen to train just you like you and everyone else on this forum and I have applied every peice of info I've given on this forum with great results. In fact, if you're interested in how I train and what I do on a day to day basis in regards to weight training then you can read my journal posted on wannabebig: http://64.21.5.158/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3059 "There is no ultimate book or person that has an answer for every individual when it comes to bodybuilding." Of course, we should listen to a lot of people and read a lot of books and information. "You must remember TSB is young, and with youth comes ignorance and a lack of real world life experience. I am sure he means well when he posts his scientific evidence for every question on this board, but he is too young to understand that only with age comes wisdom. As many of you know who are "older", this is a very typical teenage attitude. Remember the saying "when I was a teenager I knew everything!" So, what I'm trying to convey is that you should not let TSB or any other teenage "know it all" cause such animosity and anger."" I don't consider myself as a know-it-all, and I've never said I knew everything. You say I know everything. I am, however, confident in what I say, and if you say something I think is incorrect you're damn right I'm going to call you out on it, and if you question what I say I will defend it. Does this mean I think I know it all? Nope. "Sorry Prince but I have to disagree. Regardless of someone's age they need to show respect for other members which TSB clearly doesn't, and frankly I am getting tired of it! You should promote respect and teach this to our youth, not condone a brat cussing at us and trying to belittle us on every other post. What kind of example does that set for our other young members? What has always set this forum apart from the others is the people! And if left alone, one rotten apple can root a whole barrel of apples." I have no reason to respect you, you have not given me a reason to respect you. Personally, I don't feel respect is something you automatically recieve, do you respect Charles Manson? How about Timmothy McVeigh? "C'mon Prince. At this point we're having fun with him. Check out the post "new exercise routine"." I'm greatly offended. "Also I do not think anyone at this point is arguing his knowledge, they are moreless harping on his communication skills. In addition, do not be fooled by age. Children have a better manners than TSB. I would certainly hope we can agree he does not pass himself off as one with much class. Enough said in my book" That, I can't argue "Yes, but given the number of times he's been kicked off just about every bb forum, you'd think he'd grow up a little. If TSB is able to comprehend the vast and often complicated information that he obviously reads, he should be capable of showing a little respect to another person's opinion." I've been kicked off musclemag (along with Paul Stagg, and just about every other knowledgable member they once had) and this forum. After being kicked off this forum I got a few requests to come back, and then i saw Scotty take a shot at me and misquote me so I posted, and got back involved. Most of what people have about me posting here is positive, but god forbid I refute your statement. "TSB, you're knowledge is obviously welcome, not only here but at other forums as well. May I suggest a 10-second typing timeout before you post; it may help your communication skills considerably" With my knowledge comes my attitude, so deal wit it BTW, nice pic. ------------------ Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers.