Dumbell vs. Straight Bar Bench

junebug · 08-03-2001, 08:22 PM

Have any of you noticed or read the differance between the two. Currently I bench with dumbells because I do not have a spotter. Should I harass someone to spot me or just stick with the DB's.

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seyone · 08-03-2001, 09:07 PM

I prefer dumbells for their range of motion. If you want to use a bar but don't have a spotter you can use a power rack and set the pins just above your chest so you don't have to worry about the bar crushing you at failure.

Charger · 08-04-2001, 05:40 AM

I think both are a must. You need DB for a better range of movement but you also need BB for more weight.
Also a spotter is not just for safety, he can assist you (as little as possible)when you get stuck on the last rep and I have often found having someone yelling at you motivates you also

Last of all don't think of asking for a spot as harassing someone. As long as someone is not interrupting me I enjoy giving a hand and spotting someone and some day they may need one too.

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TheSupremeBeing · 08-04-2001, 11:32 AM

DB's are better because they allow for greater ROM, more stabilizer recruitement, takes advantage of the "stretch reflex" at the bottom of the movement, etc

BTW, comparitive weight differences mean shit when comparing two different exercises.

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Charger · 08-04-2001, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mesofreaky:
I hate bb flat bench and I stick with dbs and charger its not unheard of for someone to be able to handle more total weight with dbs than with a bb.

I've never seen it. You show me a guy who's top bench is 300lbs and handle 150lb DB's

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TheSupremeBeing · 08-04-2001, 03:17 PM

Like I said, it doesn't matter.

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sandwich · 08-04-2001, 06:17 PM

for shape, and more strength areas, go DB's!
...i do them and built more strength in different areas using DB's. you can go deeper, build better grip, balance, stability strength with them.

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Charger · 08-04-2001, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheSupremeBeing:
Like I said, it doesn't matter.

I agree with you as far as the two exercises being completely different and you cannot compare the weights because of that but I do think you need to shock your muscles with heavy weight, something that is hard to do with dumbbells.

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Mesofreaky · 08-04-2001, 10:43 PM

I hate bb flat bench and I stick with dbs and charger its not unheard of for someone to be able to handle more total weight with dbs than with a bb. Plus I rarely have a spotter and dbs are much safer.

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TheSupremeBeing · 08-05-2001, 05:14 PM

Muscle "shocking" is bullshit.

Yes you can "shock" the nervous system in a sense by forcing it to alter recruitement patterns among other stuff, but it's actually a bad thing since it just starts the optimization period over again, which creates rapid progress but halts muscle growth.

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Charger · 08-06-2001, 05:07 PM

I'm biting my tongue

Ok,for all of us here that DO believe in the benefits of changing your routine to include heavier sets or negatives, Dumbbells won't work

And for those who DON'T, good for you, thats your opinion.

But don't call my opinion Bullsh!t

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junebug · 08-06-2001, 06:18 PM

Charger, help me out. I got a little confused. Am I wasting my time on Dumbbells or simply not getting the benifits I could if I altered my routine on occassion?

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Limits are only mental.

TheSupremeBeing · 08-06-2001, 06:40 PM

Well your opinion is bullshit.

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junebug · 08-06-2001, 06:49 PM

Supreme, whats with the complex? You seem very opionated on every topic you submit a post to.

Also, swearing is a handicap for the language impaired so please on my posts try to layoff a bit, thanks.

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Limits are only mental.

TheSupremeBeing · 08-06-2001, 07:03 PM

LMAO, wut ya talkin' bout mofo?

I'm sorry I don't spell and grammar check my mutha fukin posts, bitch...I usually get mah point across, tho.

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Mesofreaky · 08-06-2001, 07:36 PM

he feels so strongly because hes right

P.S. you don't change things to shock your body you change to fight adaption foo

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TheSupremeBeing · 08-06-2001, 07:54 PM

True dat, i fink junebug iz just trifling, foo.

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junebug · 08-07-2001, 02:57 AM

I'm not saying supreme is right or wrong, I am merely pointing out in every comment he posts he is extremely objective, but that is ok, that is the point of the forum. What bothers me is how he gets his point across, must have been a jr. high dropout...

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crankytexan · 08-07-2001, 12:46 PM

Ahh yea, Sir Crack has the intelligence of shit.

Don't worry Junebug he (TheSupremeBeing) was kicked off this forum when he was sircrack head. He obviously didn't get the point.
His name just shows that he is full of himself.

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<FONT COLOR="#000002" SIZE="1" FACE="Verdana, Arial">[Edited 2 times, lastly by crankytexan on 08-07-2001 at 02:51 PM]</font>

TheSupremeBeing · 08-07-2001, 01:34 PM

Yeah, I'm a dumbass.

Anyway, the reason varying your routine often sucks is simple. When you first start doing an exercise it is "new" to you body in a sense that it has never learned it. From the first time you use this exercise to roughly 4-8 weeks (the more complicated the exercise the longer this takes), the nervous system "learns" the exercise by optimizing itself to the movement primarily through altering intra and inter muscular coordination. For this reason you experience rapid progress when first using an exercise then as you continue using the exercise progress becomes slower and slower. At this point many people recommend switching up your routine to spark new progress, this is the exact opposite of what should be done! After this initial optimization the nervous system will have trained itself to recruit muscle fibers maximally in the given movement, in other words only AFTER the initial rapid progress can a muscle be maximally stimulated! By frequently varying exercises in your routine you are taking a step back in your quest for muscle growth.

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**Prince** · 08-07-2001, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheSupremeBeing:
Yeah, I'm a dumbass.

No, you're not a dumbass, you just have shitty communication skills!

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TheSupremeBeing · 08-07-2001, 02:01 PM

Haha, fair enough.

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junebug · 08-07-2001, 02:24 PM

That's all I was trying to say. I believe the info you submit is sound much like the rest of the people on this forum, that is why I continue to come back.

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Limits are only mental.

Charger · 08-07-2001, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheSupremeBeing:
Well your opinion is bullshit.

Listen kid, my opinion is not bullshit.

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Charger · 08-07-2001, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by junebug:
Charger, help me out. I got a little confused. Am I wasting my time on Dumbbells or simply not getting the benifits I could if I altered my routine on occassion?

No, In MY OPINION you are not wasteing your time with dumbbells,but if you ever decide to do negatives which alot of people do(which I am sure are all wrong)or want to just go heavy you will want to use a barbell.

Dumbbells have there place and so does BARBELLS.

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TheSupremeBeing · 08-07-2001, 03:25 PM

In my educated opinion your uneducated opinion is bullshit, Charger. How's that?

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Charger · 08-07-2001, 05:37 PM

My opinion is just that,it comes from what I have done in the gym myself, not what I have read in a book.
I'm done argueing with a punk kid that has no respect for other peoples opinions.
I have read your post and your theorys and in My Opinion your just to lazy to push it. You should try spending more time in the gym and less on your computer.

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TheSupremeBeing · 08-07-2001, 07:10 PM

Hahahaha...

So class, in this thread we have learned:

-Charger's opinion is bullshit.

-Varying exercises frequently is counter productive.

-I have poor communication skills.

Class dismissed.

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Charger · 08-08-2001, 02:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheSupremeBeing:
Hahahaha...

So class, in this thread we have learned:

-Charger's opinion is bullshit.

-Varying exercises frequently is counter productive.

-I have poor communication skills.

Class dismissed.

You forgot to mention
TSB is- Disrespectful
Just a punk kid

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Maki Riddington · 08-08-2001, 06:12 AM

Please calm down guys.

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08-03-2001, 08:22 PM	#1
junebug Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Denton, Texas USA Posts: 42	Dumbell vs. Straight Bar Bench Have any of you noticed or read the differance between the two. Currently I bench with dumbells because I do not have a spotter. Should I harass someone to spot me or just stick with the DB's. ------------------ JuneBug Limits are only mental.

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08-03-2001, 09:07 PM	#2
seyone M. I. A. Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Philly Posts: 2,562	I prefer dumbells for their range of motion. If you want to use a bar but don't have a spotter you can use a power rack and set the pins just above your chest so you don't have to worry about the bar crushing you at failure.

08-04-2001, 05:40 AM	#3
Charger Pump Junky Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Iowa Posts: 465	I think both are a must. You need DB for a better range of movement but you also need BB for more weight. Also a spotter is not just for safety, he can assist you (as little as possible)when you get stuck on the last rep and I have often found having someone yelling at you motivates you also Last of all don't think of asking for a spot as harassing someone. As long as someone is not interrupting me I enjoy giving a hand and spotting someone and some day they may need one too. ------------------ Can't never did nothin,(Dedicated to my father)

08-04-2001, 11:32 AM	#4
TheSupremeBeing Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Chillin' in mah cribb, yo. Posts: 598	DB's are better because they allow for greater ROM, more stabilizer recruitement, takes advantage of the "stretch reflex" at the bottom of the movement, etc BTW, comparitive weight differences mean shit when comparing two different exercises. ------------------ Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers.

08-04-2001, 03:17 PM	#6
TheSupremeBeing Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Chillin' in mah cribb, yo. Posts: 598	Like I said, it doesn't matter. ------------------ Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers.

08-04-2001, 06:17 PM	#7
sandwich muscle= train,eat,sleep! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: ont,canada Posts: 91	for shape, and more strength areas, go DB's! ...i do them and built more strength in different areas using DB's. you can go deeper, build better grip, balance, stability strength with them. ------------------ ...build natural,...be genuine!

08-04-2001, 10:43 PM	#9
Mesofreaky Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: lake butler, fl, US Posts: 20	I hate bb flat bench and I stick with dbs and charger its not unheard of for someone to be able to handle more total weight with dbs than with a bb. Plus I rarely have a spotter and dbs are much safer. ------------------ freaky people do freaky things to stay freaky

08-05-2001, 05:14 PM	#10
TheSupremeBeing Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Chillin' in mah cribb, yo. Posts: 598	Muscle "shocking" is bullshit. Yes you can "shock" the nervous system in a sense by forcing it to alter recruitement patterns among other stuff, but it's actually a bad thing since it just starts the optimization period over again, which creates rapid progress but halts muscle growth. ------------------ Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers.

08-06-2001, 05:07 PM	#11
Charger Pump Junky Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Iowa Posts: 465	I'm biting my tongue Ok,for all of us here that DO believe in the benefits of changing your routine to include heavier sets or negatives, Dumbbells won't work And for those who DON'T, good for you, thats your opinion. But don't call my opinion Bullsh!t ------------------ Can't never did nothin,(Dedicated to my father)

08-06-2001, 06:18 PM	#12
junebug Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Denton, Texas USA Posts: 42	Charger, help me out. I got a little confused. Am I wasting my time on Dumbbells or simply not getting the benifits I could if I altered my routine on occassion? ------------------ JuneBug Limits are only mental.

08-06-2001, 06:40 PM	#13
TheSupremeBeing Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Chillin' in mah cribb, yo. Posts: 598	Well your opinion is bullshit. ------------------ Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers.

08-06-2001, 06:49 PM	#14
junebug Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Denton, Texas USA Posts: 42	Supreme, whats with the complex? You seem very opionated on every topic you submit a post to. Also, swearing is a handicap for the language impaired so please on my posts try to layoff a bit, thanks. ------------------ JuneBug Limits are only mental.

08-06-2001, 07:03 PM	#15
TheSupremeBeing Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Chillin' in mah cribb, yo. Posts: 598	LMAO, wut ya talkin' bout mofo? I'm sorry I don't spell and grammar check my mutha fukin posts, bitch...I usually get mah point across, tho. ------------------ Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers.

08-06-2001, 07:36 PM	#16
Mesofreaky Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: lake butler, fl, US Posts: 20	he feels so strongly because hes right P.S. you don't change things to shock your body you change to fight adaption foo ------------------ freaky people do freaky things to stay freaky

08-06-2001, 07:54 PM	#17
TheSupremeBeing Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Chillin' in mah cribb, yo. Posts: 598	True dat, i fink junebug iz just trifling, foo. ------------------ Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers.

08-07-2001, 02:57 AM	#18
junebug Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Denton, Texas USA Posts: 42	I'm not saying supreme is right or wrong, I am merely pointing out in every comment he posts he is extremely objective, but that is ok, that is the point of the forum. What bothers me is how he gets his point across, must have been a jr. high dropout... ------------------ JuneBug Limits are only mental.

08-07-2001, 12:46 PM	#19
crankytexan Registered User Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 49	Ahh yea, Sir Crack has the intelligence of shit. Don't worry Junebug he (TheSupremeBeing) was kicked off this forum when he was sircrack head. He obviously didn't get the point. His name just shows that he is full of himself. ------------------ Everyday is a good day, when you are not six feet under. <FONT COLOR="#000002" SIZE="1" FACE="Verdana, Arial">[Edited 2 times, lastly by crankytexan on 08-07-2001 at 02:51 PM]</font>

08-07-2001, 01:34 PM	#20
TheSupremeBeing Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Chillin' in mah cribb, yo. Posts: 598	Yeah, I'm a dumbass. Anyway, the reason varying your routine often sucks is simple. When you first start doing an exercise it is "new" to you body in a sense that it has never learned it. From the first time you use this exercise to roughly 4-8 weeks (the more complicated the exercise the longer this takes), the nervous system "learns" the exercise by optimizing itself to the movement primarily through altering intra and inter muscular coordination. For this reason you experience rapid progress when first using an exercise then as you continue using the exercise progress becomes slower and slower. At this point many people recommend switching up your routine to spark new progress, this is the exact opposite of what should be done! After this initial optimization the nervous system will have trained itself to recruit muscle fibers maximally in the given movement, in other words only AFTER the initial rapid progress can a muscle be maximally stimulated! By frequently varying exercises in your routine you are taking a step back in your quest for muscle growth. ------------------ Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers.

08-07-2001, 02:01 PM	#22
TheSupremeBeing Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Chillin' in mah cribb, yo. Posts: 598	Haha, fair enough. ------------------ Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers.

08-07-2001, 02:24 PM	#23
junebug Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Denton, Texas USA Posts: 42	That's all I was trying to say. I believe the info you submit is sound much like the rest of the people on this forum, that is why I continue to come back. ------------------ JuneBug Limits are only mental.

08-07-2001, 03:25 PM	#26
TheSupremeBeing Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Chillin' in mah cribb, yo. Posts: 598	In my educated opinion your uneducated opinion is bullshit, Charger. How's that? ------------------ Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers.

08-07-2001, 05:37 PM	#27
Charger Pump Junky Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Iowa Posts: 465	My opinion is just that,it comes from what I have done in the gym myself, not what I have read in a book. I'm done argueing with a punk kid that has no respect for other peoples opinions. I have read your post and your theorys and in My Opinion your just to lazy to push it. You should try spending more time in the gym and less on your computer. ------------------ Can't never did nothin,(Dedicated to my father)

08-07-2001, 07:10 PM	#28
TheSupremeBeing Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Chillin' in mah cribb, yo. Posts: 598	Hahahaha... So class, in this thread we have learned: -Charger's opinion is bullshit. -Varying exercises frequently is counter productive. -I have poor communication skills. Class dismissed. ------------------ Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers.

08-08-2001, 06:12 AM	#30
Maki Riddington Fat Bastard Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Canada Posts: 383	Please calm down guys. ------------------ Exercise, my drug of choice