Incline Press - A Waste of Time?

The Rose · 07-26-2001, 05:29 PM

Are incline presses really a waste of time? I've heard that you cannot target specific areas of a muscle such as the major pectorals (clavicular vs. sternum) because they are one smooth muscle, not two.

Mule · 07-26-2001, 06:00 PM

Oh man here we go!

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**I Are Baboon** · 07-27-2001, 05:10 AM

You asked that before, remember? And it started World War III. Check it out:
http://www.ironmagazine.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000329.html

Incline bench press is my favorite chest exercise.

It's all good!

Scotty the Body · 07-27-2001, 08:47 AM

Yes, its all GOOD, just keep the angle on your bench no more than 30*.

Yes it is all one muscle with two different heads, you can emphasize one part more than the other doing different movements but you CANNOT isolate one over the other.

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**Prince** · 07-27-2001, 08:57 AM

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Originally posted by I Are Baboon:
You asked that before, remember? And it started World War III. Check it out:
http://www.ironmagazine.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000329.html

Incline bench press is my favorite chest exercise.

Good memory, and good job finding the thread I Are Baboon!

I love incline press, no it's not a waste of time.

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Mule · 07-27-2001, 12:55 PM

Im with charger I like the DBs for now. For a change. I got 100's on the Inclines DBs the other day for almost 6. I was so proud. Well thats good for me since the shoulder injury!

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TheSupremeBeing · 07-27-2001, 06:40 PM

They are not a waste of time per se, but there are better exercises for the chest (decline press, dips, flyes).

And NO, you can't isolate of even emphasize the upper VS lower chest. I cannot believe this BS is still being parroted around...

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Charger · 07-27-2001, 10:58 PM

I'm with Mule!

I also love inclines done as Scotty said, 30* incline. I prefer DB presses and flies.

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The Rose · 07-28-2001, 05:50 AM

I think I agree with the Supreme Being!

Scotty the Body · 07-28-2001, 07:16 AM

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Originally posted by The Rose:
I think I agree with the Supreme Being!

That's fine, I guess books speak more to you than experience then, your choice.

If you can't even emphasize one part of the muscle over the other, than why would we bother doing more than one exercise for it?

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Slim Jim · 07-28-2001, 07:51 AM

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I found this picture of TSB, he might have a lot of book knowledge but I don't think he even lifts weights. Think I'll stick with my inclines.

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TheSupremeBeing · 07-28-2001, 08:44 AM

LOL...yeah that's really me you idiot.

Scotty, I'm sorry you can't understand the scientific aspects of it, so ask yourself this: Have you EVER seen anyone change the shape of their chest? Take a look at the thousands of before and after photos, find just ONE and I'll never say you can't train them seperately again.

You don't speak from experience, you speak from wishful thinking and muscle mag articles, and prolly some gym talk as well.

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Scotty the Body · 07-28-2001, 09:19 AM

Your right, I can't back it up.
But I'd still like to know what's the point of doing more than one exercise for say chest if you can't emphasize any part of it?

I mean, I might as well just do a set of dips and move on. right?

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TheSupremeBeing · 07-28-2001, 09:26 AM

Exactly! Pick a press (preferably decline or dips), pick a flye. The press works the pecs in it's strongest range and with the aid of the delts and triceps, and the flye eliminates the weak links allowing for maximal stimulation of the pecs.

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walter · 07-28-2001, 08:30 PM

supreme-Incline for your upper chest, decline for lower, and regular bench for your whole chest.

Robboe · 07-29-2001, 02:10 AM

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Originally posted by Scotty the Body:you can emphasize one part more than the other doing different movements but you CANNOT isolate one over the other.

So fook, you can emphasise more, but that won't spur localised growth. Why 'cheat' yourself by doing an inferior exercise [in comparison to decline or weighted dips]?

Flat/decline bench for compound movement.
A flye for 'isolation' - basically to remove the weak links of the compound movement [triceps and delts.]

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ballast · 07-29-2001, 08:37 AM

If inclines are such an inferior exercise then why do you do them CD?

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TheSupremeBeing · 07-29-2001, 08:44 AM

Inclines are crap.

On an incline press the weak links will ALWAYS fail before the chest (unless pre-exhaust or a similar technique is applied). Shoulders and triceps are the weak links, putting the bench on an incline will bring the shoulders more into play, and put the chest in its weakest position. The pec (major) primary function is to pull the arm across the chest and downward - therefore a decline press/dips are the best among the presses. A dip/decline press will minimize the weak links (the lats will come into play more, but they are generally not a "weak" link and will not fail before the chest), and put the chest in its strongest position.

Don't buy into that "you can work the upper chest with incline presses and the lower with declines!" crap. This is not possible because of the pecs anatomy.

In case you don't get the point - you should work the chest in its strongest position and minimize the weak links, and do not waste time trying to target the upper/lower chest individually.

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Robboe · 07-29-2001, 08:48 AM

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Originally posted by ballast:
If inclines are such an inferior exercise then why do you do them CD?

I'm dropping them after i cut. I'm keeping them for now cause i don't want to change anything while i cut. When i'm done cutting they is outta here.

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ballast · 07-29-2001, 09:15 AM

Chicken Daddy-by your own admission,you are cheating yourself by doing an inferior exercise, aren't you?
I don't see why dropping them would affect your "cutting", especially if they are such an "inferior" exercise.
I don't mean to insult your intelligence, but, Why would you try to disuade someone from doing an exercise(because it is supposedly useless),when you yourself are doing the same exercise?

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TheSupremeBeing · 07-29-2001, 09:29 AM

...To avoid having to re-learn the exercise robbing himself of muscle stimulation.

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ballast · 07-29-2001, 09:36 AM

He's a big boy,Supreme.Let him answer for himself.
And what do you mean "re-learn"?According to CD, after he is done "cutting", the inclines is outta here.So no need to re-learn, right?

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ballast · 07-29-2001, 11:06 AM

Don't feel bad Supreme.I'm glad I'm not chicken daddy either.He sounds like a damn hypocrite.

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TheSupremeBeing · 07-29-2001, 11:26 AM

Chicken is coo, but he's a stupid english bloke.

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Maki Riddington · 07-29-2001, 04:17 PM

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walter · 07-29-2001, 07:35 PM

This is just amazing supreme, you don't think Inclines and Declines work the Upper and Lower parts of your chest?? Is that what you are trying to say?? Well from "experience" I have always done declines and inclines, and yes your upper chest does shrink if you stop doing them. You just can't do the regular bench press for chest development, Inclines build that mass on the upper portion of the chest, like you don't have. Why don't you stop giving advice to all these people, when you are a weakling yourself. You act like a PT or something, and you are full of crab, 99% of the time. You think you know all this stuff about weightlifting, or powerlifting or whatever you try to do, but the truth is you don't know how to work your own body. YOu are a a person who reps out 185 3 times for 10 sets, takes off your shirt and admires yourself. I wish I knew where you lifted so I could come down there and show you what "real" weighttrainingris. Keep on giving advice to these poor guys, and see there results shoot right down the drain.

TheSupremeBeing · 07-29-2001, 08:09 PM

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Originally posted by walter:you don't think Inclines and Declines work the Upper and Lower parts of your chest?? Is that what you are trying to say??

Exactly.

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TheSupremeBeing · 07-29-2001, 10:25 PM

I answered for him because he just went offline.

By re-learn I mean that if he were to switch exercises it would take 4-6 weeks for him to gain any muscle off of the new movement due to the time the nervous system requires to optimize itself. When cutting you want to do everything in your power to keep building muscle a top priority, and switching exercises would take him a step back in his quest for hypertrophy.

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ballast · 07-29-2001, 10:41 PM

I didn't say for him to switch exercises, I said why didn't he Drop them if they were inferior.According to his log he is doing benches and flyes in addition to inclines.In his earlier thread, he stated to do a bench and a fly, so by eliminating the inclines there is no need to switch exercises.According to him, he would have all he needs with the benches and flyes.Right?

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07-26-2001, 05:29 PM	#1
The Rose Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Toronto Posts: 188	Incline Press - A Waste of Time? Are incline presses really a waste of time? I've heard that you cannot target specific areas of a muscle such as the major pectorals (clavicular vs. sternum) because they are one smooth muscle, not two.

07-28-2001, 08:30 PM	#15
walter Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 63	supreme-Incline for your upper chest, decline for lower, and regular bench for your whole chest.
walter Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 63

07-29-2001, 07:35 PM	#26
walter Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 63	This is just amazing supreme, you don't think Inclines and Declines work the Upper and Lower parts of your chest?? Is that what you are trying to say?? Well from "experience" I have always done declines and inclines, and yes your upper chest does shrink if you stop doing them. You just can't do the regular bench press for chest development, Inclines build that mass on the upper portion of the chest, like you don't have. Why don't you stop giving advice to all these people, when you are a weakling yourself. You act like a PT or something, and you are full of crab, 99% of the time. You think you know all this stuff about weightlifting, or powerlifting or whatever you try to do, but the truth is you don't know how to work your own body. YOu are a a person who reps out 185 3 times for 10 sets, takes off your shirt and admires yourself. I wish I knew where you lifted so I could come down there and show you what "real" weighttrainingris. Keep on giving advice to these poor guys, and see there results shoot right down the drain.
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07-26-2001, 06:00 PM	#2
Mule Great American Nightmare Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Wheeling Posts: 888	Oh man here we go! ------------------ Im an Iron Addict!

07-27-2001, 05:10 AM	#3
I Are Baboon pedal pedal pedal Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Beerville Posts: 10,805 Photos: 10	You asked that before, remember? And it started World War III. Check it out: http://www.ironmagazine.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000329.html Incline bench press is my favorite chest exercise. It's all good!

07-27-2001, 08:47 AM	#4
Scotty the Body I'm Dead Sexxxxy!! Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Canada Posts: 4,970	Yes, its all GOOD, just keep the angle on your bench no more than 30*. Yes it is all one muscle with two different heads, you can emphasize one part more than the other doing different movements but you CANNOT isolate one over the other. ------------------ Just another day in the gutter

07-27-2001, 12:55 PM	#6
Mule Great American Nightmare Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Wheeling Posts: 888	Im with charger I like the DBs for now. For a change. I got 100's on the Inclines DBs the other day for almost 6. I was so proud. Well thats good for me since the shoulder injury! ------------------ Im an Iron Addict!

07-27-2001, 06:40 PM	#7
TheSupremeBeing Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Chillin' in mah cribb, yo. Posts: 598	They are not a waste of time per se, but there are better exercises for the chest (decline press, dips, flyes). And NO, you can't isolate of even emphasize the upper VS lower chest. I cannot believe this BS is still being parroted around... ------------------ Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers.

07-27-2001, 10:58 PM	#8
Charger Pump Junky Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Iowa Posts: 465	I'm with Mule! I also love inclines done as Scotty said, 30* incline. I prefer DB presses and flies. ------------------ Can't never did nothin,(Dedicated to my father)

07-28-2001, 05:50 AM	#9
The Rose Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Toronto Posts: 188	I think I agree with the Supreme Being!

07-28-2001, 07:51 AM	#11
Slim Jim Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Canada Posts: 54	<IMG SRC="http://www.ironmagazine.com/ubb/image_uploads/michael.gif" border=0> I found this picture of TSB, he might have a lot of book knowledge but I don't think he even lifts weights. Think I'll stick with my inclines. ------------------ I wish I hadn't eatin that.

07-28-2001, 08:44 AM	#12
TheSupremeBeing Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Chillin' in mah cribb, yo. Posts: 598	LOL...yeah that's really me you idiot. Scotty, I'm sorry you can't understand the scientific aspects of it, so ask yourself this: Have you EVER seen anyone change the shape of their chest? Take a look at the thousands of before and after photos, find just ONE and I'll never say you can't train them seperately again. You don't speak from experience, you speak from wishful thinking and muscle mag articles, and prolly some gym talk as well. ------------------ Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers.

07-28-2001, 09:19 AM	#13
Scotty the Body I'm Dead Sexxxxy!! Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Canada Posts: 4,970	Your right, I can't back it up. But I'd still like to know what's the point of doing more than one exercise for say chest if you can't emphasize any part of it? I mean, I might as well just do a set of dips and move on. right? ------------------ Just another day in the gutter

07-28-2001, 09:26 AM	#14
TheSupremeBeing Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Chillin' in mah cribb, yo. Posts: 598	Exactly! Pick a press (preferably decline or dips), pick a flye. The press works the pecs in it's strongest range and with the aid of the delts and triceps, and the flye eliminates the weak links allowing for maximal stimulation of the pecs. ------------------ Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers.

07-29-2001, 08:37 AM	#17
ballast Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kalamazoo,MI USA Posts: 350	If inclines are such an inferior exercise then why do you do them CD? ------------------ "I figure,f*ck it.While I'm at it why not just shoot my buddy,take his job,give it to his sworn enemy,hike up gas prices,bomb a village,club a baby seal,hit the hash pipe and join the national guard....I could be elected president."

07-29-2001, 08:44 AM	#18
TheSupremeBeing Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Chillin' in mah cribb, yo. Posts: 598	Inclines are crap. On an incline press the weak links will ALWAYS fail before the chest (unless pre-exhaust or a similar technique is applied). Shoulders and triceps are the weak links, putting the bench on an incline will bring the shoulders more into play, and put the chest in its weakest position. The pec (major) primary function is to pull the arm across the chest and downward - therefore a decline press/dips are the best among the presses. A dip/decline press will minimize the weak links (the lats will come into play more, but they are generally not a "weak" link and will not fail before the chest), and put the chest in its strongest position. Don't buy into that "you can work the upper chest with incline presses and the lower with declines!" crap. This is not possible because of the pecs anatomy. In case you don't get the point - you should work the chest in its strongest position and minimize the weak links, and do not waste time trying to target the upper/lower chest individually. ------------------ Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers.

07-29-2001, 09:15 AM	#20
ballast Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kalamazoo,MI USA Posts: 350	Chicken Daddy-by your own admission,you are cheating yourself by doing an inferior exercise, aren't you? I don't see why dropping them would affect your "cutting", especially if they are such an "inferior" exercise. I don't mean to insult your intelligence, but, Why would you try to disuade someone from doing an exercise(because it is supposedly useless),when you yourself are doing the same exercise? ------------------ "I figure,f*ck it.While I'm at it why not just shoot my buddy,take his job,give it to his sworn enemy,hike up gas prices,bomb a village,club a baby seal,hit the hash pipe and join the national guard....I could be elected president."

07-29-2001, 09:29 AM	#21
TheSupremeBeing Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Chillin' in mah cribb, yo. Posts: 598	...To avoid having to re-learn the exercise robbing himself of muscle stimulation. ------------------ Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers.

07-29-2001, 09:36 AM	#22
ballast Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kalamazoo,MI USA Posts: 350	He's a big boy,Supreme.Let him answer for himself. And what do you mean "re-learn"?According to CD, after he is done "cutting", the inclines is outta here.So no need to re-learn, right? ------------------ "I figure,f*ck it.While I'm at it why not just shoot my buddy,take his job,give it to his sworn enemy,hike up gas prices,bomb a village,club a baby seal,hit the hash pipe and join the national guard....I could be elected president."

07-29-2001, 11:06 AM	#23
ballast Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kalamazoo,MI USA Posts: 350	Don't feel bad Supreme.I'm glad I'm not chicken daddy either.He sounds like a damn hypocrite. ------------------ "I figure,f*ck it.While I'm at it why not just shoot my buddy,take his job,give it to his sworn enemy,hike up gas prices,bomb a village,club a baby seal,hit the hash pipe and join the national guard....I could be elected president."

07-29-2001, 11:26 AM	#24
TheSupremeBeing Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Chillin' in mah cribb, yo. Posts: 598	Chicken is coo, but he's a stupid english bloke. ------------------ Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers.

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Maki Riddington Fat Bastard Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Canada Posts: 383	Chicken Daddio is da shiznit ------------------ Exercise, my drug of choice

07-29-2001, 10:25 PM	#28
TheSupremeBeing Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Chillin' in mah cribb, yo. Posts: 598	I answered for him because he just went offline. By re-learn I mean that if he were to switch exercises it would take 4-6 weeks for him to gain any muscle off of the new movement due to the time the nervous system requires to optimize itself. When cutting you want to do everything in your power to keep building muscle a top priority, and switching exercises would take him a step back in his quest for hypertrophy. ------------------ Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers.

07-29-2001, 10:41 PM	#29
ballast Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kalamazoo,MI USA Posts: 350	I didn't say for him to switch exercises, I said why didn't he Drop them if they were inferior.According to his log he is doing benches and flyes in addition to inclines.In his earlier thread, he stated to do a bench and a fly, so by eliminating the inclines there is no need to switch exercises.According to him, he would have all he needs with the benches and flyes.Right? ------------------ "I figure,f*ck it.While I'm at it why not just shoot my buddy,take his job,give it to his sworn enemy,hike up gas prices,bomb a village,club a baby seal,hit the hash pipe and join the national guard....I could be elected president."