Breaking through the wall!!

mmuscle · 06-27-2005, 06:04 AM

Are there any benefits to cheating with form?

Okay, you lift for a while and get to a decent weight, which you can move in good form, but can't seem to progress any further.

Do you think that it's worth sacrificing some form, just to increase the weight and then maybe work on improving the form once you have got used to the heavier weight?

Cheers!

mmuscle

http://www.makemuscle.net

ABLQ2 · 06-27-2005, 08:50 AM

there are some benifits. i find that if i bench press 150 pounds with absolute PERFECT form, and super slowly for a set i get so much more burnt out than i do with 250 with shit form and not holding out the negatives. i guess if you cheat on the way up its cool, but DO NOT cheat on the way down (which i think everyone at my gym does). 3 second negatives are good.

mmuscle · 07-20-2005, 08:12 AM

Thanks ABLQ2.

mmuscle

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Scotty the Body · 07-22-2005, 11:25 AM

I would be worried about getting injured due to pore form.

Do you train with a partner? If your at the point where you can't seem to do any more without cheating, a partner can help you with some forced reps at the end of a set or help you work on some negatives. You may also consider working on weak points that may be holding you back.

Squaggleboggin · 07-24-2005, 12:17 PM

Increasing the weight and decreasing your attention to form is an excellent combination for an injury.

mmuscle · 10-01-2005, 07:50 AM

Hi guys.

I see what you mean about cheating perhaps leading to injury. However if you are only cheating slightly, just to get through a wall and to help move up to that next weight. Isn't that maybe worth doing?

mmuscle

http://www.makemuscle.net

**CowPimp** · 10-01-2005, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mmuscle

Hi guys.

I see what you mean about cheating perhaps leading to injury. However if you are only cheating slightly, just to get through a wall and to help move up to that next weight. Isn't that maybe worth doing?

mmuscle

http://www.makemuscle.net

I think cheat reps have their place during certain movements. A tiny bit of lean during bicep curls isn't going to do any harm. It's almost like a self-spot.

However, on other movements like the military press, I don't think leaning back to get the weight up is the best idea. Maybe a very miniscule amount is okay, but I would never recommend it.

mmuscle · 12-13-2005, 09:08 AM

Cheers guys.

mmuscle

http://www.makemuscle.net

mmuscle · 11-04-2007, 04:41 PM

I just got injured by bad form... Shooting pain down the back of my shoulder following dumbell shoulder raises... Can hardly move my arm now - Ouch!!!!

lucifuge · 11-04-2007, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by mmuscle

I just got injured by bad form... Shooting pain down the back of my shoulder following dumbell shoulder raises... Can hardly move my arm now - Ouch!!!!

Damn, that sucks....

Pr0blemChild21 · 11-05-2007, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mmuscle

I just got injured by bad form... Shooting pain down the back of my shoulder following dumbell shoulder raises... Can hardly move my arm now - Ouch!!!!

yea bro thats real bad. i had the samething happen to me. one time i did dumbell shoulder raises w/ too much weight and my left shoulder popped. it felt like my rotator cuff like completely shifted. always use a spot, you live you learn

Pound for Pound · 11-05-2007, 03:43 PM

How is it breaking through a wall if you have to cheat to do it?

If you're at a plateau, switch up your routine - different exercises, different rep ranges - just don't sacrifice form.

My opinion.

KeenanB13 · 11-05-2007, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Pound for Pound

How is it breaking through a wall if you have to cheat to do it?

If you're at a plateau, switch up your routine - different exercises, different rep ranges - just don't sacrifice form.

My opinion.

I agree, mix up the workouts, sometimes your muscles start to memorize your routine if you don't mix it up so to speak, so throw something in there that does the same thing except you have to do it differently, or it takes different movements to do it, that works a lot of times.

Cheating never got anyone anywhere, look at Bonds for instance, he broke a plateau but he didn't do it honest, and now he's paying for it for the rest of his life. (nothing to do with bodybuilding)

06-27-2005, 06:04 AM	#1
mmuscle Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 101 Photos: 1	Breaking through the wall!! Are there any benefits to cheating with form? Okay, you lift for a while and get to a decent weight, which you can move in good form, but can't seem to progress any further. Do you think that it's worth sacrificing some form, just to increase the weight and then maybe work on improving the form once you have got used to the heavier weight? Cheers! mmuscle http://www.makemuscle.net

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06-27-2005, 08:50 AM	#2
ABLQ2 Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Frieburg Posts: 437 Photos: 1	there are some benifits. i find that if i bench press 150 pounds with absolute PERFECT form, and super slowly for a set i get so much more burnt out than i do with 250 with shit form and not holding out the negatives. i guess if you cheat on the way up its cool, but DO NOT cheat on the way down (which i think everyone at my gym does). 3 second negatives are good.

07-20-2005, 08:12 AM	#3
mmuscle Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 101 Photos: 1	Thanks ABLQ2. mmuscle http://www.makemuscle.net

10-01-2005, 07:50 AM	#6
mmuscle Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 101 Photos: 1	Hi guys. I see what you mean about cheating perhaps leading to injury. However if you are only cheating slightly, just to get through a wall and to help move up to that next weight. Isn't that maybe worth doing? mmuscle http://www.makemuscle.net

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mmuscle Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 101 Photos: 1	Cheers guys. mmuscle http://www.makemuscle.net

11-04-2007, 04:41 PM	#9
mmuscle Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 101 Photos: 1	I just got injured by bad form... Shooting pain down the back of my shoulder following dumbell shoulder raises... Can hardly move my arm now - Ouch!!!!

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