Thread: Full Squats & muscles 6-12/week

Originally Posted by NeedMuscleMass

I'm in the gym tonight doing my leg routine and after I'm done with my squats some guy asks if Im done.. Then he asks if I'm training for any sports or anything like that. After I say no he tells me I should be doing full squats and anyone who says the knee shouldnt bend like that is full of shit, it was meant to bend all the way. Is there anytruth to this? What do you guys think of full squats?

This is where the story gets crazy. He asked how long I've been a member and said I'm still eligible for 3 free training sessions and to leave my name at front desk. We went on to talk and he said I should be training every body part 4 times a week, at least. Something about different kinds of strengths or movements, I kind of stopped listening here.. He said elite coaches are trying to figure out how to get there athletes to train each muscle 6-12 times a week .. wtf?

He then went on to say that I should do lunges also since I'm a beginner becuase my legs need to be evened out in strength and trained seperately as opposed to together with squats.

Should I take anything from what he said?

Full squats are great. Training everything 4 times a week is bullshit unless your doing full body routines. No one is trying to figure out how to train body parts 12 times a week.

Yeah he did say they were full body routines

Maybe all this crazy talk about training a bodypart more then once or twice is crazy, But 3 weeks ago I started training my legs 3 x a week. Since then they have grown better then ever. Also I'm on a cut and that growing of my thighs while on a cut really surprises me. I've dropped not sure how much bodyfat in the last three weeks but have dropped in weight from 239 to 230 as of today. My thighs measure 7/8" larger now then they did 3 weeks ago.

I only use two different exercises for my quads. Hack squats and leg presses. I only do 3 sets of ea also.
Mon is low rep.....4
Wed is med reps...12
Fri high reps....20+

Originally Posted by NeedMuscleMass

Yeah he did say they were full body routines

Originally Posted by NeedMuscleMass

Yeah he did say they were full body routines

Ya that could work, but it's not the only way. Any more than 4 days is to much though.

Originally Posted by NeedMuscleMass

I'm in the gym tonight doing my leg routine and after I'm done with my squats some guy asks if Im done.. Then he asks if I'm training for any sports or anything like that. After I say no he tells me I should be doing full squats and anyone who says the knee shouldnt bend like that is full of shit, it was meant to bend all the way. Is there anytruth to this? What do you guys think of full squats?

This is where the story gets crazy. He asked how long I've been a member and said I'm still eligible for 3 free training sessions and to leave my name at front desk. We went on to talk and he said I should be training every body part 4 times a week, at least. Something about different kinds of strengths or movements, I kind of stopped listening here.. He said elite coaches are trying to figure out how to get there athletes to train each muscle 6-12 times a week .. wtf?

He then went on to say that I should do lunges also since I'm a beginner becuase my legs need to be evened out in strength and trained seperately as opposed to together with squats.

Should I take anything from what he said?

This loser is 97.5% full of shit. I would ignore all his advise, as far as your knees I would not do full squats....if you think they wont hurt you please ask a sports Doctor about it ( not some 78 year old one).

you mean they have dr. younger then ME......

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

This loser is 97.5% full of shit. I would ignore all his advise, as far as your knees I would not do full squats....if you think they wont hurt you please ask a sports Doctor about it ( not some 78 year old one).

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

This loser is 97.5% full of shit. I would ignore all his advise, as far as your knees I would not do full squats....if you think they wont hurt you please ask a sports Doctor about it ( not some 78 year old one).

Are you serious? Full squats strengthen your knees.

Originally Posted by ihateschoolmt

Are you serious? Full squats strengthen your knees.

All I am saying is to ask a specialist....do you think its a bad idea to ask someone who deals with sports injury's every day and who has studied the Human body for 10+ years???

Originally Posted by NeedMuscleMass

I'm in the gym tonight doing my leg routine and after I'm done with my squats some guy asks if Im done.. Then he asks if I'm training for any sports or anything like that. After I say no he tells me I should be doing full squats and anyone who says the knee shouldnt bend like that is full of shit, it was meant to bend all the way. Is there anytruth to this? What do you guys think of full squats?

This is where the story gets crazy. He asked how long I've been a member and said I'm still eligible for 3 free training sessions and to leave my name at front desk. We went on to talk and he said I should be training every body part 4 times a week, at least. Something about different kinds of strengths or movements, I kind of stopped listening here.. He said elite coaches are trying to figure out how to get there athletes to train each muscle 6-12 times a week .. wtf?

He then went on to say that I should do lunges also since I'm a beginner becuase my legs need to be evened out in strength and trained seperately as opposed to together with squats.

Should I take anything from what he said?

If you can do a full squat and it does not cause you any problems then yeah go ass to ankles!

as far as hitting each bp 4 times per week (actually 3 times) this would be a different type of training such as HST (Hypertrophy Specific Training) in which you train with greater frequency, basically giving a bodypart/muscle 48 hours rest.
www.hypertrophy-specific.com/hst_index.html

so, no I do not think he is off base in what he his telling you, although you do not have to use HST type training to grow, or do full squats.

http://www.cbass.com/Squats.htm

I agree 100% with ihateschoolmt.

If your knees were not meant to bend past 90 degrees, they wouldn't. Your elbow isn't meant to bend backwards, so it doesn't. Full ROM strengthens; half ROM strengthens somewhat (or in some opinions, weakens because of the added stress).

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

All I am saying is to ask a specialist....do you think its a bad idea to ask someone who deals with sports injury's every day and who has studied the Human body for 10+ years???

Oh, I thought you were saying they were dangerous for everyone, I just misunderstood.

I think that is what he was saying.

Originally Posted by ihateschoolmt

Oh, I thought you were saying they were dangerous for everyone, I just misunderstood.

I know some guys who have been doing full squats for 25 years, but I also know some who just can't take the stress on the knee. Better safe than sorry, I had mine checked out years ago and was told not to do them??? Maybe the doc was a quack, but my knees are better than ever.

If you read the link I posted, there's a theory that parallel squats hurt the knees and full ones don't.

everyone is is a bit different biomechanically, and there are some people that just cannot do them without pain or problems. I have done full squats for many years, I used to even go up to 405lbs all the way down, no problem.

Wish i could get my 405 lb wife to go all the way down w/ no problems........Just kidding she's only 4' 10" tall and 98 lbs.

Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

everyone is is a bit different biomechanically, and there are some people that just cannot do them without pain or problems. I have done full squats for many years, I used to even go up to 405lbs all the way down, no problem.