how much weight can you guys do for 2 reps on the decline bb bench press

walter · 08-09-2001, 11:04 PM

315*2 easy money

Mace · 08-10-2001, 12:48 AM

205# X 4

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walter · 08-10-2001, 12:52 AM

thats a good lift mace

**Prince** · 08-10-2001, 08:18 AM

sorry, I don't do declines, nor do I go that heavy. I usually stay around 5-6 rep range on flat and incline.

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Bench_It · 08-10-2001, 02:37 PM

310x5 on hammer strength equipment.

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Charger · 08-10-2001, 07:25 PM

Stopped doing declines, messed with my shoulders. I would guess somewhere between 275 and 300.

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Maki Riddington · 08-10-2001, 10:02 PM

Never tried.

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ballast · 08-11-2001, 08:30 PM

235x2

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Mesofreaky · 08-12-2001, 10:21 AM

declines are dangerous

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TheSupremeBeing · 08-12-2001, 05:56 PM

They aren't.

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Bench_It · 08-12-2001, 11:14 PM

Why are they dangerous?

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ALBOB · 08-13-2001, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mesofreaky: declines are dangerous

I'm in serious danger of agreeing with The Supreme being here, so help me out, how are they dangerous? Declines are the same movement as dips and dips are just about the best pec movement known. Again, help me out here, it scares me to think TSB and I might actually agree on something.

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Scotty the Body · 08-13-2001, 03:32 PM

I also agree with TSB but I'd still like to know why Declines are better than inclines?
They both recruit other muscles to lift, I guess this is directed to you TSB as your always saying how inclines are crap and declines are "superior".

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ballast · 08-13-2001, 04:26 PM

I think Supreme means that in the decline press, you're muscles are put in the most advantageous position to move the most weight.The heavier the weight, the more muscle fibers that are recruited in order to execute the movement.
I just started decline presses a few weeks ago, and the sorest "section" of my chest was the upper pecs.So I'm going to shut up about inclines hitting the upper pecs and declines hitting the lower pecs.Atleast, until I do the Mr. Wizard bit and experiment with my chest training.

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Scotty the Body · 08-13-2001, 04:35 PM

Wow Ballast, did you drop a DB on your head? I can't believe your agreeing with TSB!! LOL

Sounds good to me, I wasn't doubting TSB, just wanted to hear WHY one was so much better than the other.

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ballast · 08-13-2001, 05:12 PM

LOL @ Scotty.No, I didn't drop a dumbell on my head

.Supreme can be an arrogant little fella sometimes, but he has turned my thinking around on a few topics.As I stated above, I just started declines a few weeks ago, but my entire chest blew up.He also suggested supinated chins as a superior lat exercise(as opposed to wide grips) and since I've started doing them, my lats are getting BIG!So even though he can be intolerable at times, Supreme's proven his usefullness to me.

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TheSupremeBeing · 08-13-2001, 07:06 PM

Haha, imagine that.

Anyhow, a decline press is superior to an incline press because on the decline position the chest is put in it's strongest position (also most closely mimics the pectroals major's primary function - pulling the arms across the chest and downward). The decline position also minimizes the involvment of the delts, so you will be able to train the chest with more reps/weight because the delts will no longer be a limiting factor.

On an incline just about everything is reversed, the pectorals major is put in it's weakest position and the delts in their strongest, thus the delts will take the majority of the load and also fail before the chest.

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ALBOB · 08-14-2001, 09:01 AM

Well $H1T!!!!! We're all agreeing with TSB, what in the world is going on here?!?!? Way to go TSB, like was said earlier, you can be a pain in the a$$, but you do make a valid point on occasion. My problem is, we still haven't answered the earlier question of why declines are dangerous. Sounds like a load of bull to me, but I sure like to hear the reasoning.

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Scotty the Body · 08-14-2001, 09:04 AM

Cool, thanks TSB, also do you or anyone else think declines are better than flat? If so, why?

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ballast · 08-14-2001, 09:52 AM

Like I said earlier, I'm going to be experimenting with declines for awhile.Decline dumbell press for a hypertrophy phase and decline barbell press for a max strength phase.If the angle of decline is fairly steep, the lift begins to duplicate a dip(done on parallel bars).I have always experienced good results from dips and if a decline press were dangerous, wouldn't that make dips dangerous as well?The only danger I can see is if the bar or bells are brought too far down(as in an extreme stretch)which could possibly cause a shoulder injury.Other than that, I see no reason to label declines as dangerous.

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Scotty the Body · 08-14-2001, 10:12 AM

Hmmmm, thanks Ballast, you bring up another point I'm wondering about.
What kind of angle should I use on decline bench? around 30-40 or higher?

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ballast · 08-14-2001, 10:31 AM

Scotty-You got me there.I'm still studying up on kinesiology and biomechanics.Supreme could probably give you a better answer.For the past three decline workouts, I have only used a slight decline angle; about 20-25 degrees.Like I said, my opinion is that a steep angle could be potentially dangerous.I guess it could also depend on the movement.Since dumbells allow a greater range of motion, you might want to use a slight angle, and increase it a bit for barbell declines.Just a thought.

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ALBOB · 08-14-2001, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ballast:
If the angle of decline is fairly steep, the lift begins to duplicate a dip(done on parallel bars).I have always experienced good results from dips and if a decline press were dangerous, wouldn't that make dips dangerous as well?

That's exactly the point I was trying to make in my earlier post. Funny how the person who made the original comment is suddenly so silent and not willing to back up such a wild, un-supported statement.

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Mesofreaky · 08-14-2001, 08:41 PM

Look the reason I didn't post a reply yet is because I don't live in internet message boards, so fizzuck you. I'm not even gonna elaborate on why there dangerous because it never does any good on these boards. One day you'll wake up with a fuqed up shoulder or you'll try to decline with no spotter and choke yourself. Amazing how I just post my opinion and get trashed but its ok you'll all be takin my advice when I win the Mr. O.

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**Prince** · 08-14-2001, 08:51 PM

Calm down, everyone has an opinion!

If we all thought alike it would be pretty damn boring.

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Scotty the Body · 08-15-2001, 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mesofreaky:
Amazing how I just post my opinion and get trashed but its ok you'll all be takin my advice when I win the Mr. O.

I don't think anyone's trashing your opinion, we're just curious as to why you think Declines are dangerous.
Yes, doing them without a spotter could be dangerous.

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TheSupremeBeing · 08-16-2001, 04:39 AM

I use about a 20 degree decline.

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08-09-2001, 11:04 PM	#1
walter Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 63	how much weight can you guys do for 2 reps on the decline bb bench press 315*2 easy money
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walter Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 63	thats a good lift mace
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08-10-2001, 08:18 AM	#4
Prince the one & only Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 33,981 Blog Entries: 25 Photos: 320	sorry, I don't do declines, nor do I go that heavy. I usually stay around 5-6 rep range on flat and incline. ------------------ Just because the majority believes it, does not make it true!

08-10-2001, 02:37 PM	#5
Bench_It Worst Nightmare Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: VA, USA Posts: 93	310x5 on hammer strength equipment. ------------------ <FONT face="Comic Sans MS">Shut Up and LIFT!!</FONT f>

08-10-2001, 07:25 PM	#6
Charger Pump Junky Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Iowa Posts: 465	Stopped doing declines, messed with my shoulders. I would guess somewhere between 275 and 300. ------------------ Can't never did nothin,(Dedicated to my father)

08-10-2001, 10:02 PM	#7
Maki Riddington Fat Bastard Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Canada Posts: 383	Never tried. ------------------ Exercise, my drug of choice

08-11-2001, 08:30 PM	#8
ballast Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kalamazoo,MI USA Posts: 350	235x2 ------------------ "I'm just an ordinary guy with nothing to lose."

08-12-2001, 10:21 AM	#9
Mesofreaky Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: lake butler, fl, US Posts: 20	declines are dangerous ------------------ freaky people do freaky things to stay freaky

08-12-2001, 05:56 PM	#10
TheSupremeBeing Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Chillin' in mah cribb, yo. Posts: 598	They aren't. ------------------ Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers.

08-12-2001, 11:14 PM	#11
Bench_It Worst Nightmare Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: VA, USA Posts: 93	Why are they dangerous? ------------------ <FONT face="Comic Sans MS">Shut Up and LIFT!!</FONT f>

08-13-2001, 03:32 PM	#13
Scotty the Body I'm Dead Sexxxxy!! Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Canada Posts: 4,970	I also agree with TSB but I'd still like to know why Declines are better than inclines? They both recruit other muscles to lift, I guess this is directed to you TSB as your always saying how inclines are crap and declines are "superior". ------------------ Just another day in the gutter

08-13-2001, 04:26 PM	#14
ballast Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kalamazoo,MI USA Posts: 350	I think Supreme means that in the decline press, you're muscles are put in the most advantageous position to move the most weight.The heavier the weight, the more muscle fibers that are recruited in order to execute the movement. I just started decline presses a few weeks ago, and the sorest "section" of my chest was the upper pecs.So I'm going to shut up about inclines hitting the upper pecs and declines hitting the lower pecs.Atleast, until I do the Mr. Wizard bit and experiment with my chest training. ------------------ "I'm just an ordinary guy with nothing to lose."

08-13-2001, 04:35 PM	#15
Scotty the Body I'm Dead Sexxxxy!! Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Canada Posts: 4,970	Wow Ballast, did you drop a DB on your head? I can't believe your agreeing with TSB!! LOL Sounds good to me, I wasn't doubting TSB, just wanted to hear WHY one was so much better than the other. ------------------ Just another day in the gutter

08-13-2001, 05:12 PM	#16
ballast Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kalamazoo,MI USA Posts: 350	LOL @ Scotty.No, I didn't drop a dumbell on my head .Supreme can be an arrogant little fella sometimes, but he has turned my thinking around on a few topics.As I stated above, I just started declines a few weeks ago, but my entire chest blew up.He also suggested supinated chins as a superior lat exercise(as opposed to wide grips) and since I've started doing them, my lats are getting BIG!So even though he can be intolerable at times, Supreme's proven his usefullness to me. ------------------ "I'm just an ordinary guy with nothing to lose."

08-13-2001, 07:06 PM	#17
TheSupremeBeing Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Chillin' in mah cribb, yo. Posts: 598	Haha, imagine that. Anyhow, a decline press is superior to an incline press because on the decline position the chest is put in it's strongest position (also most closely mimics the pectroals major's primary function - pulling the arms across the chest and downward). The decline position also minimizes the involvment of the delts, so you will be able to train the chest with more reps/weight because the delts will no longer be a limiting factor. On an incline just about everything is reversed, the pectorals major is put in it's weakest position and the delts in their strongest, thus the delts will take the majority of the load and also fail before the chest. ------------------ Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers.

08-14-2001, 09:01 AM	#18
ALBOB IDIOT SAVANT Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: An alternate reality. Posts: 10,177	Well $H1T!!!!! We're all agreeing with TSB, what in the world is going on here?!?!? Way to go TSB, like was said earlier, you can be a pain in the a$$, but you do make a valid point on occasion. My problem is, we still haven't answered the earlier question of why declines are dangerous. Sounds like a load of bull to me, but I sure like to hear the reasoning. ------------------ Life is hard so quit whining and go out there and be alive.

08-14-2001, 09:04 AM	#19
Scotty the Body I'm Dead Sexxxxy!! Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Canada Posts: 4,970	Cool, thanks TSB, also do you or anyone else think declines are better than flat? If so, why? ------------------ Just another day in the gutter

08-14-2001, 09:52 AM	#20
ballast Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kalamazoo,MI USA Posts: 350	Like I said earlier, I'm going to be experimenting with declines for awhile.Decline dumbell press for a hypertrophy phase and decline barbell press for a max strength phase.If the angle of decline is fairly steep, the lift begins to duplicate a dip(done on parallel bars).I have always experienced good results from dips and if a decline press were dangerous, wouldn't that make dips dangerous as well?The only danger I can see is if the bar or bells are brought too far down(as in an extreme stretch)which could possibly cause a shoulder injury.Other than that, I see no reason to label declines as dangerous. ------------------ "I'm just an ordinary guy with nothing to lose."

08-14-2001, 10:12 AM	#21
Scotty the Body I'm Dead Sexxxxy!! Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Canada Posts: 4,970	Hmmmm, thanks Ballast, you bring up another point I'm wondering about. What kind of angle should I use on decline bench? around 30-40 or higher? ------------------ Just another day in the gutter

08-14-2001, 10:31 AM	#22
ballast Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kalamazoo,MI USA Posts: 350	Scotty-You got me there.I'm still studying up on kinesiology and biomechanics.Supreme could probably give you a better answer.For the past three decline workouts, I have only used a slight decline angle; about 20-25 degrees.Like I said, my opinion is that a steep angle could be potentially dangerous.I guess it could also depend on the movement.Since dumbells allow a greater range of motion, you might want to use a slight angle, and increase it a bit for barbell declines.Just a thought. ------------------ "I'm just an ordinary guy with nothing to lose."

08-14-2001, 08:41 PM	#24
Mesofreaky Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: lake butler, fl, US Posts: 20	Look the reason I didn't post a reply yet is because I don't live in internet message boards, so fizzuck you. I'm not even gonna elaborate on why there dangerous because it never does any good on these boards. One day you'll wake up with a fuqed up shoulder or you'll try to decline with no spotter and choke yourself. Amazing how I just post my opinion and get trashed but its ok you'll all be takin my advice when I win the Mr. O. ------------------ freaky people do freaky things to stay freaky

08-14-2001, 08:51 PM	#25
Prince the one & only Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 33,981 Blog Entries: 25 Photos: 320	Calm down, everyone has an opinion! If we all thought alike it would be pretty damn boring. ------------------ Just because the majority believes it, does not make it true!

08-16-2001, 04:39 AM	#27
TheSupremeBeing Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Chillin' in mah cribb, yo. Posts: 598	I use about a 20 degree decline. ------------------ Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers.