Thread: Ok All You Pro's

I don't understand your question? You have a rotator cuff problem and you are wondering why your overhead press wont go up?? Is it not obvious?

I'm going to have to say your cuff is holding you back. Mentally, maybe, but certainly physically.

you were probably putting more training intensity on UPR BDY

and now you've stalled...

Don't worry, your LB lifts will stall soon, Better get some GH to fix that rotator -

Pat it's not the military press bro but my bench. mil is about the same but bench is down 125 lbs. Incline from 390 to 265 lbs. mil is about the same or close to. i can mil press 225 lbs for 6 reps

PT

either way, if you have a muscle tear it is going to inhibit strength as you can only compensate for that muslce inability to do its job to a certain extent.

Originally Posted by P-funk

either way, if you have a muscle tear it is going to inhibit strength as you can only compensate for that muslce inability to do its job to a certain extent.

Exactly right. Plus the muscles in the injured joint are unstable and can't support as much of a load as before. Notice that when you are pressing you probably get pain as soon as your elbow drops below the plane of your shoulder? That's because there is no support there anymore.

After I tore my RC it took a year before my bench went back up to what it used to be.

shoulder problems. everywhere i look someone has a friggin shoulder problem. thats a huge reason why i will never ever go back to training bodyparts. ever.

Originally Posted by Yanick

shoulder problems. everywhere i look someone has a friggin shoulder problem. thats a huge reason why i will never ever go back to training bodyparts. ever.

I don't think that's necessarily the answer either -

Originally Posted by The Monkey Man

I don't think that's necessarily the answer either -

i think its part of it. i was just talking to my buddy yesterday about it and gave it some thought. it suddenly struck me that a typical BB routine which goes something like this

chest
back
shoulders
arms
legs

in whichever order you want is in effect

shoulder joint
shoulder joint
shoulder joint
elbow joint
hip/knee joint(s)

so in any given week the typical BB'er will do 3x as much work with their shoulder joint than their hip/knee joint. thats a lot of wear and tear on one of the least stable joints in the body. not to mention that most people do like 20 sets for chest while only doing 5-10 for legs or whatever.

so yeah, its not a complete answer but its a beginning...IMO of course

You might need to take a week off and let your muscles rest....every now and then (especially when you hit a plateau) you might want to take a week off. Also, are you benching once a week or several time a week? Those may also be factors though I would never count out your injury.

Originally Posted by Yanick

i think its part of it. i was just talking to my buddy yesterday about it and gave it some thought. it suddenly struck me that a typical BB routine which goes something like this

chest
back
shoulders
arms
legs

in whichever order you want is in effect

shoulder joint
shoulder joint
shoulder joint
elbow joint
hip/knee joint(s)

so in any given week the typical BB'er will do 3x as much work with their shoulder joint than their hip/knee joint. thats a lot of wear and tear on one of the least stable joints in the body. not to mention that most people do like 20 sets for chest while only doing 5-10 for legs or whatever.

so yeah, its not a complete answer but its a beginning...IMO of course

I agree. Everything is at the shoulder. Also, look how much of that is anterior work.....chest, shoulders, arms. One day for posterior training? No wonder people have imbalances.

Chest/Delts/Tri for me with NO overhead pressing currently or a single dumbell set. 1-2 sets of side laterals and 1 set of rear, depends how I feel some weeks I do nothing for delts.

Back

Calves/Abs/Forearms/Biceps/Neck

Quads/Hams/Lower back

Delts get worked with every push/pull, so anyone training it as if they didn't train it at all during the week - should do the math. Shoulder problems are common, dont overwork yourself. I was talking to a boxer just last night who has problems from doing so much conditioning work, and just regular old boxing activities like uppercuts and hook punches. The body is not a machine with replaceable parts, things get worn out and not everything is rebuilt fast enough before you wear them down. This is why I do lower volume as time goes on, my body is already warning me.

Train smart, not long. Some can take it, most will feel it eventually. Of course 10 years ago I could fall off a ladder and probably laugh it off, now I'd probably be hurting for a couple weeks, with possible problems for the rest of my life here or there.

yea, if you want to go the BB'er route and work body parts I think Mudge has a good split there. A push pull can help you really balance out anterior and posterior work.

So, you tear your rotator cuff. In that specific muscle, the muscle spindles activate that muscle to contract and the antagonist (Pectoralis being one of them in the bench movement) to relax when stretched. I would have to imagine having a decent portion of those spindles in a completely slack, torn part of the muscle would be a problem.

Also synergist muscles compensate for the injured muscle. Increased tension (greater than they are accustomed to since hey don't typically work that hard) in these muscles cause the GTO to inhibit those synergistic muscles.

So basically you are getting "Flex. Wait, no relax. Wait, I meant flex. Oh, ok flex. No, relax." etc... throughout the movement.

Fix yur shit.

I also just read in another thread that you tore a tricep tendon in Dec?? It is amazing that you can press at all with the injuries.

Should I even mention all the Gear you are/were running on, at your age...

Has anyone ever heard about muscle tissue outdeveloping connective tissue
while cycling!?!?

Originally Posted by The Monkey Man

Should I even mention all the Gear you are/were running on, at your age...

Has anyone ever heard about muscle tissue outdeveloping connective tissue
while cycling!?!?

tendon's don't grow as fast as muscles.