fighting shape...what do i need to train most?

stonev16 · 08-03-2005, 08:50 PM

I want to know what body parts key in most with a fist fight, I have basic fist fighting experience.....havent ever fought anyone to much bigger then me.....just curious maybe u have routine suggestions on how to get into this shape....maybe all this lifting weights is addin more testosterone then i need but i feel like beeting the sh*t out of the next person to mess with me.....i dunno i kinda want to go into overkill on them.how would i get into this shape....maybe this is a stupid post but I'm bored n i want tips. any help would be greatly appreciated.

stonev16 · 08-03-2005, 08:52 PM

guys dont mess with me much but there are a few ppl that tend to piss me off some times. just curious because any info can help me n i'm kinda bored with what I'm doing now, and what better place to get fighting advice then from guys full of testosterone and some juicers.

TJ Cline · 08-03-2005, 08:53 PM

You might try going to a boxing gym

Punching power comes from your lower body and core.......and you need to learn how to punch as well.

stonev16 · 08-03-2005, 08:55 PM

thanks ....my gym has a boxing room. but no ppl box each other there

Akkers · 08-03-2005, 09:20 PM

If you wanna learn to fight, become a boxer or a kickboxer. Im a pretty big guy at 6'1.5" and 250 odd pounds and I know guys who box half my size that could lay me out flat. Fighting isn't about raw strength, it's more about technique.

min0 lee · 08-03-2005, 09:22 PM

I mostly train my legs.......to run very fast.

MyK · 08-03-2005, 09:25 PM

theres a book written by bruce lee!! id look into that if i was you!

TJ Cline · 08-03-2005, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stonev16

thanks ....my gym has a boxing room. but no ppl box each other there

You can find a boxing Gym for $20-30 a week, train for a month their and take the advise of the other boxers then start sparring.....your fighting skills will go through the roof quick.............and you might learn not to fight in the street.

The Monkey Man · 08-03-2005, 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

You might try going to a boxing gym

Punching power comes from your lower body and core.......and you need to learn how to punch as well.

This is such good advice...

Power to throw punches comes from torque created from the core of the body.
hand speed amplifies the power with a snap that is an explosion of the fist hitting home...

But to throw mulitiple punches effectively, the body must remain centered
and balanced, foot speed will allow you to engage quickly to deliver all
this mayhem...

So put in the Rocky music and wear yourself out on the bags -

stonev16 · 08-03-2005, 09:59 PM

thanks for all the advice its been very helpful

The Monkey Man · 08-03-2005, 10:01 PM

If I had to recommend one thing, I would say heavy bag drills

I used to run this...

straight rights and lefts, nonstop, all out
(with perfect stance and form only)

30 seconds
10 sec rest
30 more

45 sec rest

L & R hooks, nonstop, all out
(with perfect stance and form only)
30 sec
10 sec rest
30 more sec

45 sec rest

L & R uppercuts, nonstop, all out
(with perfect stance and form only)
30 seconds
10 sec rest
30 more sec

45 sec rest

Combinations , nonstop, all out
Use all the previous punches, learn to alternate to save stamina
by using the different motions to rest particular body parts
(with perfect stance and form only)

30 seconds
10 second rest
30 seconds

DONE

This should be a piece of cake for you -

It's not even 7 minutes

clemson357 · 08-03-2005, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madds

Fighting isn't about raw strength, it's more about technique.

exactly

9 times out of 10 the guy who doesn't hesitate wins. Its about committing to the fight. Beyond that it is technique. All else being equal, then strength comes into it.

TJ Cline · 08-03-2005, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Monkey Man

This should be a piece of cake for you -

It's not even 7 minutes

I would bet this kid $1000 he couldnt punch a heavy bag non stop for 3 min.

Sounds easy but............

stonev16 · 08-03-2005, 10:36 PM

should i do more cardio too?

kraziplaya · 08-03-2005, 10:38 PM

i would suggest some basic boxing classes and if you can some basic grappling classes... sure training in the gym will make you stronger but technique and knowing what you are doing is the key... you will be surprised how many people cannot throw a solid punch...

stonev16 · 08-03-2005, 10:41 PM

thanks.....see what I know to do is either go super aggressive and just try to cause the person as much pain as i can in any way i can.(one time i speared a guy down soem stairs.) or just back up duck and dodge until the right opportunity or until the ther person gets tired.

stonev16 · 08-03-2005, 10:42 PM

any critiqes for these 2?

stonev16 · 08-03-2005, 10:44 PM

basicly train my abbs and legs is what I'm gettign from this?

stonev16 · 08-03-2005, 10:45 PM

i get hit more during the 1st one but it gets better results

TJ Cline · 08-03-2005, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stonev16

should i do more cardio too?

A streat fight will last 10 sec to a min ....no cardio nescarry for this.

stonev16 · 08-03-2005, 10:49 PM

thats a good point... thanks

TJ Cline · 08-03-2005, 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stonev16

thats a good point... thanks

Unless your fighting me..............then you better be able to run 2 miles in 13 min or less or you are going to be in a world of hurt when I catch you.

stonev16 · 08-03-2005, 11:15 PM

i can run 2 in under in like 15 but i'm guesin that aint good enuff

stonev16 · 08-03-2005, 11:27 PM

shit lol

TJ Cline · 08-03-2005, 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stonev16

shit lol

LOL, just kidding.....I never fight....unless I have no choice.

tree · 08-03-2005, 11:33 PM

To hit, you need flexibility in your arms and torso

stonev16 · 08-03-2005, 11:36 PM

so i gota stretch everything n get flexible,train my legs n abs, n push ups will help

Squaggleboggin · 08-04-2005, 12:27 AM

Honestly I'd say plyometrics would be very effective. They work primarily explosive movements and that's what it's all about. Most people don't understand that in a fight, you're not just punching. Legs can help not only with punches, but with things like kicks. I'd rather know how to kick in a fight than punch. Not to mention getting out of holds they might put you in (I realize this isn't wrestling, but it's a fight and you never know what your opponent will do). Being a bigger guy, it comforts me to know that if someone were to jump on my back, I could probably get that person off.

TJ Cline · 08-04-2005, 12:36 AM

[quote=Squaggleboggin]Honestly Legs can help not only with punches, but with things like kicks. I'd rather know how to kick in a fight than punch. /QUOTE]

Ever watch K1 or kick boxing?????......the puncher with skill and power always kills the "Kicker"....looks good in a movie but in a real fight..............

Squaggleboggin · 08-04-2005, 12:43 AM

Well think about it: you can kick someone for about a foot longer of a range than he can punch you from. If you can actually kick fast, it's much more powerful.

08-03-2005, 08:50 PM	#1
stonev16 leftnutknockout Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: the shed Posts: 182	fighting shape...what do i need to train most? I want to know what body parts key in most with a fist fight, I have basic fist fighting experience.....havent ever fought anyone to much bigger then me.....just curious maybe u have routine suggestions on how to get into this shape....maybe all this lifting weights is addin more testosterone then i need but i feel like beeting the sh*t out of the next person to mess with me.....i dunno i kinda want to go into overkill on them.how would i get into this shape....maybe this is a stupid post but I'm bored n i want tips. any help would be greatly appreciated.
	currently 155 lbs ......goal 165 by november (thanks for the help )

08-03-2005, 08:52 PM	#2
stonev16 leftnutknockout Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: the shed Posts: 182	guys dont mess with me much but there are a few ppl that tend to piss me off some times. just curious because any info can help me n i'm kinda bored with what I'm doing now, and what better place to get fighting advice then from guys full of testosterone and some juicers.
	currently 155 lbs ......goal 165 by november (thanks for the help )

08-03-2005, 08:53 PM	#3
TJ Cline Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,544	You might try going to a boxing gym Punching power comes from your lower body and core.......and you need to learn how to punch as well.
TJ Cline Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,544

08-03-2005, 08:55 PM	#4
stonev16 leftnutknockout Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: the shed Posts: 182	thanks ....my gym has a boxing room. but no ppl box each other there
	currently 155 lbs ......goal 165 by november (thanks for the help )

08-03-2005, 09:59 PM	#10
stonev16 leftnutknockout Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: the shed Posts: 182	thanks for all the advice its been very helpful
	currently 155 lbs ......goal 165 by november (thanks for the help )

08-03-2005, 09:20 PM	#5
Akkers The Gazelle or The Lion? Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 266	If you wanna learn to fight, become a boxer or a kickboxer. Im a pretty big guy at 6'1.5" and 250 odd pounds and I know guys who box half my size that could lay me out flat. Fighting isn't about raw strength, it's more about technique.

08-03-2005, 09:22 PM	#6
min0 lee Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: The Bronx, NYC Posts: 33,776 Blog Entries: 3 Photos: 542	I mostly train my legs.......to run very fast.

08-03-2005, 09:25 PM	#7
MyK Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: consumerville! Posts: 10,201 Photos: 1	theres a book written by bruce lee!! id look into that if i was you!

08-03-2005, 10:01 PM	#11
The Monkey Man Magical Apelikemenace Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Delhi, India Posts: 13,788 Photos: 35	If I had to recommend one thing, I would say heavy bag drills I used to run this... straight rights and lefts, nonstop, all out (with perfect stance and form only) 30 seconds 10 sec rest 30 more 45 sec rest L & R hooks, nonstop, all out (with perfect stance and form only) 30 sec 10 sec rest 30 more sec 45 sec rest L & R uppercuts, nonstop, all out (with perfect stance and form only) 30 seconds 10 sec rest 30 more sec 45 sec rest Combinations , nonstop, all out Use all the previous punches, learn to alternate to save stamina by using the different motions to rest particular body parts (with perfect stance and form only) 30 seconds 10 second rest 30 seconds DONE This should be a piece of cake for you - It's not even 7 minutes
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08-03-2005, 10:36 PM	#14
stonev16 leftnutknockout Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: the shed Posts: 182	should i do more cardio too?
	currently 155 lbs ......goal 165 by november (thanks for the help )

08-03-2005, 10:38 PM	#15
kraziplaya Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: VA Posts: 527 Photos: 1	i would suggest some basic boxing classes and if you can some basic grappling classes... sure training in the gym will make you stronger but technique and knowing what you are doing is the key... you will be surprised how many people cannot throw a solid punch...

08-03-2005, 10:41 PM	#16
stonev16 leftnutknockout Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: the shed Posts: 182	thanks.....see what I know to do is either go super aggressive and just try to cause the person as much pain as i can in any way i can.(one time i speared a guy down soem stairs.) or just back up duck and dodge until the right opportunity or until the ther person gets tired.
	currently 155 lbs ......goal 165 by november (thanks for the help )

08-03-2005, 10:42 PM	#17
stonev16 leftnutknockout Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: the shed Posts: 182	any critiqes for these 2?
	currently 155 lbs ......goal 165 by november (thanks for the help )

08-03-2005, 10:44 PM	#18
stonev16 leftnutknockout Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: the shed Posts: 182	basicly train my abbs and legs is what I'm gettign from this?
	currently 155 lbs ......goal 165 by november (thanks for the help )

08-03-2005, 10:45 PM	#19
stonev16 leftnutknockout Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: the shed Posts: 182	i get hit more during the 1st one but it gets better results
	currently 155 lbs ......goal 165 by november (thanks for the help )

08-03-2005, 10:49 PM	#21
stonev16 leftnutknockout Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: the shed Posts: 182	thats a good point... thanks
	currently 155 lbs ......goal 165 by november (thanks for the help )

08-03-2005, 11:15 PM	#23
stonev16 leftnutknockout Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: the shed Posts: 182	i can run 2 in under in like 15 but i'm guesin that aint good enuff
	currently 155 lbs ......goal 165 by november (thanks for the help )

08-03-2005, 11:27 PM	#24
stonev16 leftnutknockout Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: the shed Posts: 182	shit lol
	currently 155 lbs ......goal 165 by november (thanks for the help )

08-03-2005, 11:33 PM	#26
tree Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 106 Photos: 1	To hit, you need flexibility in your arms and torso
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08-03-2005, 11:36 PM	#27
stonev16 leftnutknockout Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: the shed Posts: 182	so i gota stretch everything n get flexible,train my legs n abs, n push ups will help
	currently 155 lbs ......goal 165 by november (thanks for the help )

08-04-2005, 12:27 AM	#28
Squaggleboggin Functional Lifting = Life Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 3,540 Photos: 3	Honestly I'd say plyometrics would be very effective. They work primarily explosive movements and that's what it's all about. Most people don't understand that in a fight, you're not just punching. Legs can help not only with punches, but with things like kicks. I'd rather know how to kick in a fight than punch. Not to mention getting out of holds they might put you in (I realize this isn't wrestling, but it's a fight and you never know what your opponent will do). Being a bigger guy, it comforts me to know that if someone were to jump on my back, I could probably get that person off.
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08-04-2005, 12:36 AM	#29
TJ Cline Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,544	[quote=Squaggleboggin]Honestly Legs can help not only with punches, but with things like kicks. I'd rather know how to kick in a fight than punch. /QUOTE] Ever watch K1 or kick boxing?????......the puncher with skill and power always kills the "Kicker"....looks good in a movie but in a real fight..............
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08-04-2005, 12:43 AM	#30
Squaggleboggin Functional Lifting = Life Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 3,540 Photos: 3	Well think about it: you can kick someone for about a foot longer of a range than he can punch you from. If you can actually kick fast, it's much more powerful.