Olympic Lifting (amazing lifts)

* Legion * · 08-15-2005, 09:41 AM

LOL

I bet Alexeev videos are difficult to find, i would imagine that the Soviets were hush hush about their training from th 60's through the 80's. I have been reading a great deal about Soviet and Eastern Eurpoean training, but i bet P Funk knows a great deal more about it than I. To me, it gets confusing, and some of it seems redundant. All i know is that Russia, China, and Eastern Europe start their lifters SOOOO young, and we generally begin weightlifting in high school, usually as training for football or wrestling.

Yanick · 08-15-2005, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by * Legion *

LOL

I bet Alexeev videos are difficult to find, i would imagine that the Soviets were hush hush about their training from th 60's through the 80's. I have been reading a great deal about Soviet and Eastern Eurpoean training, but i bet P Funk knows a great deal more about it than I. To me, it gets confusing, and some of it seems redundant. All i know is that Russia, China, and Eastern Europe start their lifters SOOOO young, and we generally begin weightlifting in high school, usually as training for football or wrestling.

Russia not only did that, but they had systems set up so that as a child mature's they are taken through periodized training which plays toward that specific child's strong points and that will eventually lead that individual into the proper sport for him/her. They go from GPP stuff for everyone and as a child mature's and say, for example, that child displays an extraordinary ability to sprint. The Russians would then take that child and as they mature they are switched over to SPP for their sport, it wasn't much of a choice from what i understand. it was almost like a filter/sorter system. when i read about that stuff, i thought of a video i saw that showed how our recycling/garbage plants work. they have heavy material hanging to seperate the heavier bottles from everything, then they have magnets to sort out the aluminun etc. it was kindda the same way, as the children mature and exhibit either athletic prowess or not they are sorted and seperated to where they needed to be. nothing was really left to chance.

i actually only found out last week that my mother was slated to go to some kind of special school for sprinters. she said that she won a bunch of contests for the 100m, when she was young and her coach wanted her to go to some kind of school for track and field athletes but she couldn't because of her personal situation back then. It made perfect sense, my mom has more muscular calves than me and now i know where i get my hip strength from

**P-funk** · 08-15-2005, 11:56 AM

Not only did they do that but they also took young children and had muscle biopsies done on them to find out which ones had more type II muscle fibers and which ones had more type I fibers. The ones with the type II fibers were sent to lift weights and do wrestling. The ones with the type I fibers were sent to participate in endurance based sports like distance running or swiming. NUTS!

ihateschoolmt · 08-15-2005, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by P-funk

Not only did they do that but they also took young children and had muscle biopsies done on them to find out which ones had more type II muscle fibers and which ones had more type I fibers. The ones with the type II fibers were sent to lift weights and do wrestling. The ones with the type I fibers were sent to participate in endurance based sports like distance running or swiming. NUTS!

That is fucking crazy.

The Monkey Man · 08-15-2005, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ihateschoolmt

That is fucking crazy.

That's cool -

* Legion * · 08-15-2005, 04:20 PM

... GUYS!!!!

different does not mean better. I still cannot bring myself to undersetimate the human body's ability to adapt... psychologically, physiologically, nurologically, etc.
this is all well and good, but what does it prove? what does it show? yes, the USA seems to do relatively poorly on a world scale in such sports as soccer and weightlifting. all the more reason to try. youth today are just not interested in the sport of weightlifting. youth in the USA, in my opinion, and from my experience as a high school teacher, track coach, soccer coach, and strength trainer, want to know how to get "bigger," how to look good in sleeveless shirts and how to "get a good bench." that is our biggest hinderance in sports such as weightlifting.

**P-funk** · 08-15-2005, 07:42 PM

but, aside from the super heavy weights, most olympic lifters have great physiques! Look at Rigert and Dimas. Those guys are lean, muscular and ripped. Tommy Kono was not only a world champion lifter and olympic lifting coach for the USA he also won Mr. America!!

**P-funk** · 08-15-2005, 08:01 PM

Tommy Kono established world records in four body weight classes: lightweight (148 pounds), middleweight (165), light-heavyweight (181), and middle-heavyweight (198). Only two years after beginning Olympic lifting, he made the highest total of any lightweight lifter in the United States. Within four years of this first contest, he won the Gold Medal at the 1952 Olympic games in Helsinki, Finland. He was world champion every year from 1953 through 1959, which included a second Gold Medal at the 1956 Olympics in Melbourne, Australia. He established 26 world records and seven Olympic records. As if that wasn’t enough, he also won the "Mr. World" physique title and was three times crowned "Mr. Universe." After retirement from lifting, he became the national and Olympic coach for Mexico (1966 – 1968) and for West Germany (1969 – 1972), and United States Olympic weightlifting coach in 1976.

* Legion * · 08-15-2005, 09:33 PM

Oh yeah? I can write my name with both hands!!!!!

* Legion * · 08-15-2005, 09:40 PM

I must admit, though, i wrestle constantly with just completely scrapping the muscle building game altogether, i train like the strongmen you see on tv. But one MUST admire the dedication, moreso, the savage simplicity that is involved in Olympic Weightlifting. Im not much of a bencher, im obsessed with squatting and pressing, and my diet is much like Big Shane's. (Who, as he admits, enjoys McDonalds on a frequent basis!) Genetics are a major part in all three realms of weighttraining: bodybuilding, powerlifting, and weighlifting. To make it less disturbing to myself, then, i will say that genetics really only mean anything when you are in competition with other people. I am not trying to be Mr O, nor will i ever be Olympic quality. I have too much else going on, being a Dad, a teacher, a husband. I have the fire, as do so many of us on this forum. But i see a lot of people talked out of aiming high, just to give up or even try. I like Mudge's cold, honest realism. genetics set the champions apart from the rest of those who grunt and groan in the gym every day... but that still won't stop me from trying.

**P-funk** · 08-19-2005, 01:07 PM

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**P-funk** · 08-19-2005, 01:12 PM

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Squaggleboggin · 08-19-2005, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by * Legion *

I must admit, though, i wrestle constantly with just completely scrapping the muscle building game altogether, i train like the strongmen you see on tv. But one MUST admire the dedication, moreso, the savage simplicity that is involved in Olympic Weightlifting. Im not much of a bencher, im obsessed with squatting and pressing, and my diet is much like Big Shane's. (Who, as he admits, enjoys McDonalds on a frequent basis!) Genetics are a major part in all three realms of weighttraining: bodybuilding, powerlifting, and weighlifting. To make it less disturbing to myself, then, i will say that genetics really only mean anything when you are in competition with other people. I am not trying to be Mr O, nor will i ever be Olympic quality. I have too much else going on, being a Dad, a teacher, a husband. I have the fire, as do so many of us on this forum. But i see a lot of people talked out of aiming high, just to give up or even try. I like Mudge's cold, honest realism. genetics set the champions apart from the rest of those who grunt and groan in the gym every day... but that still won't stop me from trying.

That's how I am for the most part: I have to bench but love the really big stuff, including strongman training. I agree with the latter portion about genetics and feel the same way about that too. Good post.

These videos are just insane. I can't help but admire the dedication and strength these athletes have. It's just crazy how hard they must have worked to accomplish such goals. Too bad P-funk could probably do twice as much anyways.

Yanick · 08-19-2005, 01:19 PM

none of those work for me, do you need to be a member or something?

Squaggleboggin · 08-19-2005, 01:21 PM

I think for some of them you do.

The Monkey Man · 08-19-2005, 01:25 PM

You have to belong to that forum to view the VIDS -

**P-funk** · 08-19-2005, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Yanick

none of those work for me, do you need to be a member or something?

oh really?

shit, that sucks. I guess you have to be a member of the forum that they were on to watch them.

Yanick · 08-19-2005, 02:48 PM

i already registered, its free so why not...plus its a pretty cool forum

i just can't find those video's now, the links still won't work.

**P-funk** · 08-19-2005, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Yanick

i already registered, its free so why not...plus its a pretty cool forum

i just can't find those video's now, the links still won't work.

you need to wait for the site admin. to verify your account. I took down the videos since the don't work and give out the web pages address because there are to many ass fucks here and I don't want to see a good board get ruined.

The Monkey Man · 08-21-2005, 03:47 PM

HERE is another good link, to vids of lifters past and present

(I hope no posted this already)

**P-funk** · 08-21-2005, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by The Monkey Man

HERE is another good link, to vids of lifters past and present

(I hope no posted this already)

cool thanks!

Paul anderson with the old school clean and press...total bas ass!

Vlasov was so quick on that clean and jerk!

Alexeev...so fast for a fat man!

Already posted that Chemerkin lift in the first post. That dude is strong!

Nobody makes it look easier then Reza Zadeh! I remeber wathcing that live on TV last year during the olympics. Nearly shit myself. I have seen a lot of lifts by him. Absolutly amazing!

**P-funk** · 08-21-2005, 04:17 PM

It is funny. I email all the clips I find to my coach and today he told me that everything I email him he has seen like 12 years ago! LOL. He said that he either has the tape or has already seen it and has watched it so many times that he can tell me the exact parts that they groan or scream during the lifts. He said he sits there and watches them when I send them and thinks...."this is great! this guy is just finding the stuff now." haha

The Monkey Man · 08-21-2005, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by P-funk

It is funny. I email all the clips I find to my coach and today he told me that everything I email him he has seen like 12 years ago! LOL. He said that he either has the tape or has already seen it and has watched it so many times that he can tell me the exact parts that they groan or scream during the lifts. He said he sits there and watches them when I send them and thinks...."this is great! this guy is just finding the stuff now." haha

Yeah I'm thinking of working with a coach now
and I know if I do he will have all kinds of ways to let me know
how little I know -

I have this lurking fear that I am doing the lifts hideously wrong,
and will end up hurting my technique/results later on, if I don't seek pro help early -

I think one session a week will B enough...

I am still training other fitness interests around this olympic thing
so I am not as committed to comp, and total involvement

The Monkey Man · 08-24-2005, 11:33 AM

I have been looking for a good coach, to help me with my fundamentals...

Check these stats...

Elizabeth - is a friend of mine, who really tried to get me into weightlifting

Mary

Christine

& Kendra

are all on her team...

They train at this gym I have been eyeballing, And I would be training under their coach!?!?

Sounds good enough to me, eh?

**P-funk** · 08-25-2005, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Monkey Man

I have been looking for a good coach, to help me with my fundamentals...

Check these stats...

Elizabeth - is a friend of mine, who really tried to get me into weightlifting

Mary

Christine

& Kendra

are all on her team...

They train at this gym I have been eyeballing, And I would be training under their coach!?!?

Sounds good enough to me, eh?

Looks like good numbers to me. A good coach is crucial.

08-15-2005, 11:56 AM	#33
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,374	Not only did they do that but they also took young children and had muscle biopsies done on them to find out which ones had more type II muscle fibers and which ones had more type I fibers. The ones with the type II fibers were sent to lift weights and do wrestling. The ones with the type I fibers were sent to participate in endurance based sports like distance running or swiming. NUTS!
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08-15-2005, 07:42 PM	#37
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,374	but, aside from the super heavy weights, most olympic lifters have great physiques! Look at Rigert and Dimas. Those guys are lean, muscular and ripped. Tommy Kono was not only a world champion lifter and olympic lifting coach for the USA he also won Mr. America!!
	http://pwtraining.blogspot.com/.....come and see what is on my mind! http://ivonneberkowitz.blogspot.com/....check out Ivonne's new blog! Optimum Sports Performance "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few." -Buddha's Little Instruction Book

08-15-2005, 08:01 PM	#38
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,374	Tommy Kono established world records in four body weight classes: lightweight (148 pounds), middleweight (165), light-heavyweight (181), and middle-heavyweight (198). Only two years after beginning Olympic lifting, he made the highest total of any lightweight lifter in the United States. Within four years of this first contest, he won the Gold Medal at the 1952 Olympic games in Helsinki, Finland. He was world champion every year from 1953 through 1959, which included a second Gold Medal at the 1956 Olympics in Melbourne, Australia. He established 26 world records and seven Olympic records. As if that wasn’t enough, he also won the "Mr. World" physique title and was three times crowned "Mr. Universe." After retirement from lifting, he became the national and Olympic coach for Mexico (1966 – 1968) and for West Germany (1969 – 1972), and United States Olympic weightlifting coach in 1976.
	http://pwtraining.blogspot.com/.....come and see what is on my mind! http://ivonneberkowitz.blogspot.com/....check out Ivonne's new blog! Optimum Sports Performance "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few." -Buddha's Little Instruction Book

08-19-2005, 01:07 PM	#41
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08-19-2005, 01:12 PM	#42
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08-15-2005, 09:41 AM	#31
* Legion * Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Suburb of Chicago, Il. USA Posts: 711 Photos: 2	LOL I bet Alexeev videos are difficult to find, i would imagine that the Soviets were hush hush about their training from th 60's through the 80's. I have been reading a great deal about Soviet and Eastern Eurpoean training, but i bet P Funk knows a great deal more about it than I. To me, it gets confusing, and some of it seems redundant. All i know is that Russia, China, and Eastern Europe start their lifters SOOOO young, and we generally begin weightlifting in high school, usually as training for football or wrestling.

08-15-2005, 04:20 PM	#36
* Legion * Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Suburb of Chicago, Il. USA Posts: 711 Photos: 2	... GUYS!!!! different does not mean better. I still cannot bring myself to undersetimate the human body's ability to adapt... psychologically, physiologically, nurologically, etc. this is all well and good, but what does it prove? what does it show? yes, the USA seems to do relatively poorly on a world scale in such sports as soccer and weightlifting. all the more reason to try. youth today are just not interested in the sport of weightlifting. youth in the USA, in my opinion, and from my experience as a high school teacher, track coach, soccer coach, and strength trainer, want to know how to get "bigger," how to look good in sleeveless shirts and how to "get a good bench." that is our biggest hinderance in sports such as weightlifting.

08-15-2005, 09:33 PM	#39
* Legion * Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Suburb of Chicago, Il. USA Posts: 711 Photos: 2	Oh yeah? I can write my name with both hands!!!!!

08-15-2005, 09:40 PM	#40
* Legion * Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Suburb of Chicago, Il. USA Posts: 711 Photos: 2	I must admit, though, i wrestle constantly with just completely scrapping the muscle building game altogether, i train like the strongmen you see on tv. But one MUST admire the dedication, moreso, the savage simplicity that is involved in Olympic Weightlifting. Im not much of a bencher, im obsessed with squatting and pressing, and my diet is much like Big Shane's. (Who, as he admits, enjoys McDonalds on a frequent basis!) Genetics are a major part in all three realms of weighttraining: bodybuilding, powerlifting, and weighlifting. To make it less disturbing to myself, then, i will say that genetics really only mean anything when you are in competition with other people. I am not trying to be Mr O, nor will i ever be Olympic quality. I have too much else going on, being a Dad, a teacher, a husband. I have the fire, as do so many of us on this forum. But i see a lot of people talked out of aiming high, just to give up or even try. I like Mudge's cold, honest realism. genetics set the champions apart from the rest of those who grunt and groan in the gym every day... but that still won't stop me from trying.

08-19-2005, 01:19 PM	#44
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08-19-2005, 01:21 PM	#45
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08-19-2005, 02:48 PM	#48
Yanick Amor Fati Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,798	i already registered, its free so why not...plus its a pretty cool forum i just can't find those video's now, the links still won't work.
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08-21-2005, 03:47 PM	#50
The Monkey Man Magical Apelikemenace Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Delhi, India Posts: 13,500 Photos: 32	HERE is another good link, to vids of lifters past and present (I hope no posted this already)
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08-21-2005, 04:17 PM	#52
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,374	It is funny. I email all the clips I find to my coach and today he told me that everything I email him he has seen like 12 years ago! LOL. He said that he either has the tape or has already seen it and has watched it so many times that he can tell me the exact parts that they groan or scream during the lifts. He said he sits there and watches them when I send them and thinks...."this is great! this guy is just finding the stuff now." haha
	http://pwtraining.blogspot.com/.....come and see what is on my mind! http://ivonneberkowitz.blogspot.com/....check out Ivonne's new blog! Optimum Sports Performance "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few." -Buddha's Little Instruction Book

08-24-2005, 11:33 AM	#54
The Monkey Man Magical Apelikemenace Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Delhi, India Posts: 13,500 Photos: 32	I have been looking for a good coach, to help me with my fundamentals... Check these stats... Elizabeth - is a friend of mine, who really tried to get me into weightlifting Mary Christine & Kendra are all on her team... They train at this gym I have been eyeballing, And I would be training under their coach!?!? Sounds good enough to me, eh?
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