Shrugs o.0

goandykid · 08-16-2005, 06:01 AM

I jsut got back from the gym; shoulder,back and bicep day. Here I was, minding my own business, doing my bb shrugs when this 80 year old crazy veiny 65 lb woman comes up to me and says "When ur doing ur shrugs, use an over-under grip"

wtf? legit or jsut crazy talk?

Akkers · 08-16-2005, 06:07 AM

A matter of personal preference. Instead of barbell shrugs, do dumbell shrugs. That way the shrugs can be done either at the front or side to hit your inner and outer traps. If that fails, just bang the chick. She'll love it.

goandykid · 08-16-2005, 06:10 AM

lol, that brings up another question...about the db shrugs, i see ppl who do them at the sides, doing them straight up, and others in a circular motion...

Akkers · 08-16-2005, 06:14 AM

Doing shrugs in a circular motion is about as useful as a 50 inch cock in a world of virgins. In won't work your traps, but it will screw your rotator cuff. Because muscles work in a linear fashion - push, pull - the circular motion doesnt do anything.

As for the side front thing, dumbells in front of your thighs will work your traps close your neck. The side shrugs will target your lower, outer traps.

goandykid · 08-16-2005, 06:21 AM

hahaha, you get a cookie for your analogy.

while we're at it, let me jsut finish my state of thought. I'm on EST, and have yet to sleep, so this b bad at first.

For my delts w/o shuld i be doing:

side shrugs 3-4 sets
front shrugs 3-4
then *insert exercise here*?

or is the first 2 good? theres not much varation in there

Akkers · 08-16-2005, 06:26 AM

I don't see any need to inlcude both side shrugs and front shrugs into your workout. Just alternate between the two every workout.

A good shoulder workout for me would look like:

Military presses (compound movement - always done heavy, in the 6-10 rep range) 3 sets
Front raises (isolation movement for your front delts - go as heavy as possible but still maintain perfect form - 10-12 reps) 3 sets
Lateral raises (isolation movement for your side delts - these fibres are mainly slow twitch so I like to do these 3 sets in giant set fashion with 12-15 reps fer set) 3 sets in giant set form.

Post back with any questions.

goandykid · 08-16-2005, 06:29 AM

yea i was jsut posting for my delt delts, im bad with names, especially on no sleep, but i meant the shrugs for the top delts, the part next to my neck. My shoulder w/o right now is 4 sets of seated lateral raises alternating every set with 4 sets of seated shoulder press

Akkers · 08-16-2005, 06:31 AM

The part next to your neck - you mean your inner traps? Front shrugs will get those.

goandykid · 08-16-2005, 06:37 AM

yea, thats what i meant lol my b

The Monkey Man · 08-16-2005, 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goandykid

Ithis crazy woman comes up to me and says "When ur doing ur shrugs, use an over-under grip"

wtf? legit or jsut crazy talk?

if you switch the grip with every set
and always do an even number of sets
so you don't develop any uneven symmetry

But I would go with matched grip and put the screws
to your grip strength -

JMO

Doublebase · 08-16-2005, 07:25 AM

I do one overhand and one underhand on bb shrugs.

TJ Cline · 08-16-2005, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madds

Doing shrugs in a circular motion is about as useful as a 50 inch cock in a world of virgins.

funnyest quote of the week

Sam40 · 08-16-2005, 02:15 PM

That is a grip recommended to people with not enough grip strength, to complete the required # of reps. It helps them complete an exercise.

Scotty the Body · 08-16-2005, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam40

That is a grip recommended to people with not enough grip strength, to complete the required # of reps. It helps them complete an exercise.

I would think most people can shrug more than a they can hold for 5 reps, unless your doing high reps, I'd use some straps, the over under thing works but it feels strange to me.

I'd just bang the old chick

sounds like she wants your hammer anyway.

Akkers · 08-16-2005, 11:25 PM

Beats me why people would shrug for 5 reps...

I'd go for the chick, probably the only action she's had in 35 years.

**CowPimp** · 08-17-2005, 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akkers

Doing shrugs in a circular motion is about as useful as a 50 inch cock in a world of virgins.

Bahaha. Good point.

There is no reason to use anything but a pronated grip when doing shrugs unless you can't hold the weight. If your grip strength doesn't allow you to complete the set, then you may want to consider an over-under grip. Tell grandma to leave you alone.

Scotty the Body · 08-17-2005, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akkers

Beats me why people would shrug for 5 reps...

I'd go for the chick, probably the only action she's had in 35 years.

Maybe its time you load'er up and give it a shot.

Akkers · 08-17-2005, 07:57 PM

Time to load up the barbell, or load up granny....?

I've always used heavy dumbells, that way I feel I can target my traps better. I think any less than 12 reps is a waste of time because traps are a tonic muscle.

Squaggleboggin · 08-17-2005, 08:02 PM

I prefer farmers' walks. Heavy and short, three sets.

Psycho Dad · 08-18-2005, 03:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CowPimp

Bahaha. Good point.

There is no reason to use anything but a pronated grip when doing shrugsI cant wait to hear the twisted logic behind this absolute, skinny. unless you can't hold the weight. If your grip strength doesn't allow you to complete the set, then you may want to consider an over-under grip. Tell grandma to leave you alone.

**CowPimp** · 08-18-2005, 03:41 AM

The only reason to use an over-under grip is to allow you to hold more weight. If you can hold it using a pronated grip, then you should. I suppose if you feel more comfortable using an over-under grip then go for it, but I certainly prefer pronated if I can hold the weight.

Psycho Dad · 08-18-2005, 03:52 AM

so you think a certain grip will change the effect of the trap development.

Tough Old Man · 08-18-2005, 03:56 AM

I think your full of shit. 1) No 80 year old lady is going to tell you what to do. 2)pull someone elses chain on a different site asshole. 3) If you listen to that old bitch and what she said, stayed married to her as she is the only reason you still alive.

goandykid · 08-18-2005, 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tough Old Man

I think your full of shit. 1) No 80 year old lady is going to tell you what to do. 2)pull someone elses chain on a different site asshole. 3) If you listen to that old bitch and what she said, stayed married to her as she is the only reason you still alive.

????? Obviously it had just happened, and I didn't ask her age, but here, you want a new, less descriptive description? A senior lady, fit, veeeeeerrry skinny. Ppl should be able to post w/o being flamed by ppl like you. Go lift, keep your dumbass assumptions to yourself.

**CowPimp** · 08-18-2005, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Psycho Dad

so you think a certain grip will change the effect of the trap development.

No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that the opposite is true: either grip is going to result in similar stimulation of the traps. Therefore, there is no efficacy in what the senior lady said.

reg56 · 08-18-2005, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akkers

Doing shrugs in a circular motion is about as useful as a 50 inch cock in a world of virgins.

Best, analogy, ever.

musclepump · 08-18-2005, 12:27 PM

I use dumbbells and barbells and I never do an over under

Psycho Dad · 08-18-2005, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CowPimp

No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that the opposite is true: either grip is going to result in similar stimulation of the traps. Therefore, there is no efficacy in what the senior lady said.

ok I see, I agree with you then.

ATOMSPLTR · 08-18-2005, 07:52 PM

Just say "thank you, Ma'm," and ask her if she can remove her teeth. Hummer or gummer....you decide.

08-16-2005, 06:01 AM	#1
goandykid Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 4,379	Shrugs o.0 I jsut got back from the gym; shoulder,back and bicep day. Here I was, minding my own business, doing my bb shrugs when this 80 year old crazy veiny 65 lb woman comes up to me and says "When ur doing ur shrugs, use an over-under grip" wtf? legit or jsut crazy talk?
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08-16-2005, 06:10 AM	#3
goandykid Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 4,379	lol, that brings up another question...about the db shrugs, i see ppl who do them at the sides, doing them straight up, and others in a circular motion...
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08-16-2005, 06:21 AM	#5
goandykid Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 4,379	hahaha, you get a cookie for your analogy. while we're at it, let me jsut finish my state of thought. I'm on EST, and have yet to sleep, so this b bad at first. For my delts w/o shuld i be doing: side shrugs 3-4 sets front shrugs 3-4 then insert exercise here? or is the first 2 good? theres not much varation in there
	You guys are going to lose. You might as well just cheer for me, because Boston isn’t winning in Boston for the season opener. I’m sorry. " - Gilbert Arenas

08-16-2005, 06:29 AM	#7
goandykid Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 4,379	yea i was jsut posting for my delt delts, im bad with names, especially on no sleep, but i meant the shrugs for the top delts, the part next to my neck. My shoulder w/o right now is 4 sets of seated lateral raises alternating every set with 4 sets of seated shoulder press
	You guys are going to lose. You might as well just cheer for me, because Boston isn’t winning in Boston for the season opener. I’m sorry. " - Gilbert Arenas

08-16-2005, 06:37 AM	#9
goandykid Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 4,379	yea, thats what i meant lol my b
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08-16-2005, 06:07 AM	#2
Akkers The Gazelle or The Lion? Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 266	A matter of personal preference. Instead of barbell shrugs, do dumbell shrugs. That way the shrugs can be done either at the front or side to hit your inner and outer traps. If that fails, just bang the chick. She'll love it.

08-16-2005, 06:14 AM	#4
Akkers The Gazelle or The Lion? Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 266	Doing shrugs in a circular motion is about as useful as a 50 inch cock in a world of virgins. In won't work your traps, but it will screw your rotator cuff. Because muscles work in a linear fashion - push, pull - the circular motion doesnt do anything. As for the side front thing, dumbells in front of your thighs will work your traps close your neck. The side shrugs will target your lower, outer traps.

08-16-2005, 06:26 AM	#6
Akkers The Gazelle or The Lion? Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 266	I don't see any need to inlcude both side shrugs and front shrugs into your workout. Just alternate between the two every workout. A good shoulder workout for me would look like: Military presses (compound movement - always done heavy, in the 6-10 rep range) 3 sets Front raises (isolation movement for your front delts - go as heavy as possible but still maintain perfect form - 10-12 reps) 3 sets Lateral raises (isolation movement for your side delts - these fibres are mainly slow twitch so I like to do these 3 sets in giant set fashion with 12-15 reps fer set) 3 sets in giant set form. Post back with any questions.

08-16-2005, 06:31 AM	#8
Akkers The Gazelle or The Lion? Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 266	The part next to your neck - you mean your inner traps? Front shrugs will get those.

08-16-2005, 07:25 AM	#11
Doublebase Lightweight, Ya Buddy! Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Philly Posts: 6,632	I do one overhand and one underhand on bb shrugs.

08-16-2005, 02:15 PM	#13
Sam40 Alley-oop! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: North Carolina Posts: 174	That is a grip recommended to people with not enough grip strength, to complete the required # of reps. It helps them complete an exercise.

08-16-2005, 11:25 PM	#15
Akkers The Gazelle or The Lion? Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 266	Beats me why people would shrug for 5 reps... I'd go for the chick, probably the only action she's had in 35 years.

08-17-2005, 07:57 PM	#18
Akkers The Gazelle or The Lion? Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 266	Time to load up the barbell, or load up granny....? I've always used heavy dumbells, that way I feel I can target my traps better. I think any less than 12 reps is a waste of time because traps are a tonic muscle.

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08-18-2005, 03:41 AM	#21
CowPimp Fueled by Testosterone Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 15,428	The only reason to use an over-under grip is to allow you to hold more weight. If you can hold it using a pronated grip, then you should. I suppose if you feel more comfortable using an over-under grip then go for it, but I certainly prefer pronated if I can hold the weight.
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08-18-2005, 03:52 AM	#22
Psycho Dad huge unit Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bathroom Posts: 361	so you think a certain grip will change the effect of the trap development.

08-18-2005, 03:56 AM	#23
Tough Old Man Canine club CEO Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: baja calif, Mexico Posts: 6,933 Photos: 1	I think your full of shit. 1) No 80 year old lady is going to tell you what to do. 2)pull someone elses chain on a different site asshole. 3) If you listen to that old bitch and what she said, stayed married to her as she is the only reason you still alive.

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musclepump Celebrity PersonalTrainer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,666 Photos: 128	I use dumbbells and barbells and I never do an over under
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ATOMSPLTR Uranium powered Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Idaho Posts: 286	Just say "thank you, Ma'm," and ask her if she can remove her teeth. Hummer or gummer....you decide.

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