Isolating different areas of the CALF

HardTrainer · 09-02-2005, 04:57 PM

What is every ones thoughts on isolating/emphasizing different parts of the calf muscle i.e. seated, standing, toes in/out/straight etc etc.....

P.S i am looking for the diamond look

buildingup · 09-02-2005, 04:58 PM

haha, u have to do star jumps to get the lower calfs and maybe dance to hit the upper calfs

MyK · 09-02-2005, 04:59 PM

TJ Cline · 09-02-2005, 05:00 PM

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HardTrainer · 09-02-2005, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by buildingup

haha, u have to do star jumps to get the lower calfs and maybe dance to hit the upper calfs

hummm how can i implement that into my routine for progression?? shall i do star jumps with dumbells and work my way up...

But how can i progress with dancing????

please some one with 19 inch diamond cows post me their workouts

MuscleM4n · 09-02-2005, 06:10 PM

Seated calve raises will focus more on training your soleus

Standing calve raises will focus more on training your gastrocnemious

The gastrocnemious is the calve muscle which is visible from the side.

Yanick · 09-02-2005, 06:11 PM

it is my OPINION that you cannot isolate or emphasize certain parts of a muscle over the others, except in the case when one part of a muscle crosses two joints and assists in more than one joint action ie the long head of the triceps/biceps and whichever calf muscle crosses the knee.

MuscleM4n · 09-02-2005, 06:18 PM

Try this now - Sit down and go on your toes, now flex your calves

Now stand up and do the same.

Notice that when sitting down your soleus flexs better/appears larger than when standing up?

This is becuase seated calve raises focuses more but not completly on your soleus

MuscleM4n · 09-02-2005, 06:46 PM

By the way buildingup and Myk it was a good and relevant question by HardTrainer, I don't see the point you are trying to make.

**CowPimp** · 09-02-2005, 08:45 PM

The gastrocnemius, which is comprised of two heads, is unable to achieve a full contraction if your knees are flexed, like during a seated movement. As far as I know, there is no way to separately contract the heads of this muscle. Both heads are active during ankle planar flexion.

The soleus is active during planar flexion of the ankle whether your knee is flexed or extended. It has one head.

As with any other muscle, I still firmly believe you cannot contract certain parts of a single muscle.

Du · 09-02-2005, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CowPimp

The gastrocnemius, which is comprised of two heads, is unable to achieve a full contraction if your knees are flexed, like during a seated movement. As far as I know, there is no way to separately contract the heads of this muscle. Both heads are active during ankle planar flexion.

The soleus is active during planar flexion of the ankle whether your knee is flexed or extended. It has one head.

As with any other muscle, I still firmly believe you cannot contract certain parts of a single muscle.

Can you translate for the rest of us?

TJ Cline · 09-02-2005, 08:57 PM

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**CowPimp** · 09-02-2005, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by du510

Can you translate for the rest of us?

The calf is really made of two muscles. The gastrocnemius and the soleus. The gastrocnemius can't make full contractions during seated movements because your knees are bent. The soleus is active during both seated and standing movements.

Du · 09-02-2005, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by CowPimp

The calf is really made of two muscles. The gastrocnemius and the soleus. The gastrocnemius can't make full contractions during seated movements because your knees are bent. The soleus is active during both seated and standing movements.

And tahts why we do standing calf raises for the gastrocs, and seated for the soleus.

**CowPimp** · 09-02-2005, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by du510

And tahts why we do standing calf raises for the gastrocs, and seated for the soleus.

Eh, I just do standing movements usually, for the very little bit of direct calf work that I do. I feel like I'm wasting time if I do seated calf raises. I have done very few in my day. Ah well, to each his own.

MyK · 09-03-2005, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by MuscleM4n

By the way buildingup and Myk it was a good and relevant question by HardTrainer, I don't see the point you are trying to make.

this thread is a joke extended from a thread in open chat!I cant belive your that stupid to take it seriously!!

didn't it tip you off when he spelt calve "calf" ??????

also, never speak to me directly again!

MuscleM4n · 09-03-2005, 02:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CowPimp

The calf is really made of two muscles. The gastrocnemius and the soleus. The gastrocnemius can't make full contractions during seated movements because your knees are bent. The soleus is active during both seated and standing movements.

That's what i said! Thanks for backing me up.

HardTrainer · 09-03-2005, 03:19 AM

If i point my toes very far inwards i can "feel" a stretch on the "outside" of my CALF obviously this means i am empahsizing that part, any takers?

MuscleM4n · 09-03-2005, 03:24 AM

Ok, hardtrainer we help you give you your answers and you take the piss.

What a nice guy you are!

**CowPimp** · 09-03-2005, 03:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HardTrainer

If i point my toes very far inwards i can "feel" a stretch on the "outside" of my CALF obviously this means i am empahsizing that part, any takers?

Of course. You've never done pigeon-toed calf raises before? They're straight from Ronnie Coleman's calf routine.

HardTrainer · 09-03-2005, 03:34 AM

Furthering the pointing toes inwards topic... for even greater outer calf emphasizing get a training partner too force your feet to point inwards even more then you can.... this may sound dangerous but if you get a sensible training partner you will reap the rewards of this outer stretch phenomenon which allows you to isolate that portion even more!

Am i correct here guys? i need help please to grow big cows (i only want the diamond shape plz) thanks

MuscleM4n · 09-03-2005, 03:54 AM

what are you on about? What me and cowpimp were saying is correct i don't see what you find so funny.

buildingup · 09-03-2005, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MyK

this thread is a joke extended from a thread in open chat!I cant belive your that stupid to take it seriously!!

didn't it tip you off when he spelt calve "calf" ??????

also, never speak to me directly again!

haha a bit harsh though!

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HardTrainer Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 472	Furthering the pointing toes inwards topic... for even greater outer calf emphasizing get a training partner too force your feet to point inwards even more then you can.... this may sound dangerous but if you get a sensible training partner you will reap the rewards of this outer stretch phenomenon which allows you to isolate that portion even more! Am i correct here guys? i need help please to grow big cows (i only want the diamond shape plz) thanks
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