Thread: A real Newbie Question but i don't care

free weights are superior as they use stabiliser muscles and other muscles in lifting!

I use both....but free weights are the most important

I use both as well, but I like using my share of machines too.
I am a big fan of all Hammerstrength machines.
Free weights and machines are both good IMO. Use both, use good form and you will be good to go!

depends on what you want to achieve. if you are a strength athlete (oly lifter, powerlifter, strongman) the closest one will come to a machine type exercise is maybe some cable rows, otherwise its you, the bar, and rack/bench. for bb'ers its not going to kill you to use machines every so often, i've seen really big guys using leg presses, hammer strength stuff etc. obviously you want the majority of your work to be free weight but if you're looking for size and not necessarily functional strength machines won't kill you.

I think free weights should be the base of any sound training program, almost no matter the goals. Like Yanick said, if you are a strength training or training for sport, then free weights are it. If you are an advanced bodybuilder, then doing a couple of extra isolation exercises can't hurt.

One problem with machines is that they don't require you stabilize the weight. Therefore, your stabilizer muscles and your core miss out on a lot of stimulation. As well, the motor patterns you learn using free weights are natural. When you use machines you are going to be pushing through a false center of gravity; learning improper motor patterns would pose a big problem for athletes. In addition to this, there is going to be a greater transmutation of training effects from the usage of free weights to real world activities and movements performed in sports.

Originally Posted by CowPimp

I think free weights should be the base of any sound training program, almost no matter the goals. Like Yanick said, if you are a strength training or training for sport, then free weights are it. If you are an advanced bodybuilder, then doing a couple of extra isolation exercises can't hurt.

One problem with machines is that they don't require you stabilize the weight. Therefore, your stabilizer muscles and your core miss out on a lot of stimulation. As well, the motor patterns you learn using free weights are natural. When you use machines you are going to be pushing through a false center of gravity; learning improper motor patterns would pose a big problem for athletes. In addition to this, there is going to be a greater transmutation of training effects from the usage of free weights to real world activities and movements performed in sports.

Again the question has been answered you dumb fuck! go surf a wave you ugly long haired fuck!

I've never had much luck with machines, although for beginners I would think it may help you to learn form.

Originally Posted by PrincePaul

I've never had much luck with machines, although for beginners I would think it may help you to learn form.

Nah, the restricted ROM makes them useless for that.

Free wieghts all the whey the are strait

Originally Posted by buildingup

Again the question has been answered you dumb fuck! go surf a wave you ugly long haired fuck!

I love you. Wanna make out?

Originally Posted by buildingup

Again the question has been answered you dumb fuck! go surf a wave you ugly long haired fuck!

Are you 2 buddies and messing around or is there some real antagonism here???

Originally Posted by robousy

Are you 2 buddies and messing around or is there some real antagonism here???

Building up is a douche bag. He doesn't have any friends.

Originally Posted by robousy

Are you 2 buddies and messing around or is there some real antagonism here???

He likes to talk shit to me. Doesn't really bother me when people call me names over the Internet though. I used to get heated, but no longer.

buildingup, shut the fuck up, keep your comments to yourself.

I think it depends on your goals. If you just want to get more definition, then using machines to burn some calories and to make the obvious muscles bigger is fine. On the other hand, if you actually care about dangerous imbalances and having a body that is well-rounded, use free weights because there's nothing like them.

Originally Posted by Squaggleboggin

I think it depends on your goals. If you just want to get more definition, then using machines to burn some calories

Sorry but that's bullshit. How is this supposed to work?

The mixture is what makes you grow. My experiences told me to use free weights as fundament of my routine. In addition I use some machine exercises. I think machines can be very usefull, because you're isolating the muscle you are supposed to train without involving other secondary muscles. But of course, like it was mentioned above, you're neglecting the stabilizer muscles.

Originally Posted by buildingup

Again the question has been answered you dumb fuck! go surf a wave you ugly long haired fuck!

but he answered it better than you and was nice enough to go in to depth with his answer.

You need to chill buildingup - remember what i said about respect a while ago?
You said that you would change but unfortunatly it didn't work out that way....you still have an attitude problem.


Don't take offense to what i say here, just what you need to hear and the truth.

Originally Posted by CowPimp

He likes to talk shit to me. Doesn't really bother me when people call me names over the Internet though. I used to get heated, but no longer.

Good for you cowpimp

Originally Posted by Fujiama

Sorry but that's bullshit. How is this supposed to work?

The mixture is what makes you grow. My experiences told me to use free weights as fundament of my routine. In addition I use some machine exercises. I think machines can be very usefull, because you're isolating the muscle you are supposed to train without involving other secondary muscles. But of course, like it was mentioned above, you're neglecting the stabilizer muscles.

So you're saying that the fact that doing exercises on a machine burns calories is bullshit? Please explain.

It will burn calories yes, but ANY exercise burns calories.

I'm not sure who you're defending, but I'd like very much for him to answer my question and explain his thinking.

I am not defending anybody mate.

Just stating that any exercise will burn calories.

Sure it burns calories, bur like MuscleM4n just said, any exercise will. Maybe i misunderstood your statement, but it sounded like "You want definition? Do machine exercises!" to me. Sorry if you meant something else. But when i read this one: "I think it depends on your goals. If you just want to get more definition, then using machines to burn some calories" , then I think machine exercises are the best thing for definition. And THAT is bullshit. So if my goal is to define my body, I primarily will do some cardio and decrease the amount of calories. So why should I do machine exercisies?

It just sounded to me like you said that machines won't burn calories, which isn't true as you've already agreed.

Saying that machines were a great way to get definition is certainly not what I meant. I was just saying that yes, a machine will burn calories, and if you don't care about having a healthy, balanced body, you can use it to build some muscle too. Of course, doing just machine work as a primary means of losing weight due to burning calories is not the best idea, and I wholeheartedly agree that diet and cardio are exponentially more effective. The only thing I think machines are the best thing for is the ignorant person who doesn't want to use free weights because they're "too hard."

Ah okay, so we talked at cross-purposes.

I'm glad we could at least agree on something and you're not one of those "You're 16 so shut up" people who is as ignorant as a rock in a cave.

Oh, to be honest, I haven't noticed your age. But your right, I hate those guys too.