BUA says nay

**BUA** · 09-11-2005, 04:58 PM

no to machine for weights! is this a good idea?

**KEFE** · 09-11-2005, 05:07 PM

why did you make the thread the n

**BUA** · 09-11-2005, 05:08 PM

none of your beeswax

**KEFE** · 09-11-2005, 05:39 PM

ok stop with the kiddy stuff you light kid

**CowPimp** · 09-11-2005, 06:49 PM

I don't really know what you mean... Are you talking about free weights vs. machines?

**Doublebase** · 09-11-2005, 06:53 PM

This guy is rude. Dont' answer his questions.

**MuscleM4n** · 09-11-2005, 06:53 PM

is he a new tree?

**PreMier** · 09-11-2005, 07:06 PM

yes

**Tough Old Man** · 09-12-2005, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by CowPimp

I don't really know what you mean... Are you talking about free weights vs. machines?

Cowpimp: Don't pay attention to this dickweed. He claims to be buildingup with a name change on open chat and a good friend of that fucking Tree character. As you can see he post the same way.

Tough

**MyK** · 09-12-2005, 12:22 PM

machine weights can be good for helping to learn learning proper form and muscle memory etc. once you have been training for a while and have good form, free weights are far superior.

machines are also good for rehab work

**CowPimp** · 09-12-2005, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by MyK

machine weights can be good for helping to learn learning proper form and muscle memory etc. once you have been training for a while and have good form, free weights are far superior.

That is so wrong. Using machines without prior experience using free weights teaches you unnatural motor patterns that are likely to be attempted when moving to free weights. This can lead to potential injury for a variety of reasons. Newbies should always start with free weight movements, period.

**MyK** · 09-12-2005, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by CowPimp

That is so wrong. Using machines without prior experience using free weights teaches you unnatural motor patterns that are likely to be attempted when moving to free weights. This can lead to potential injury for a variety of reasons. Newbies should always start with free weight movements, period.

its not soo wrong. have you ever been to a physical therapist??? all they have is machines, why do you think that is?? i really want to know!

how are machines "unnatural motor patterns"? do you know how much money is spent designing machines. for example, I would recommend a newb use a preacher hammer strength machine over say BB curls, because the machine would lock them in postions and guide them through the ROM, whereas newbs doing barball curls are all over the place, swining their backs, using their shoulders...

**Squaggleboggin** · 09-12-2005, 01:28 PM

It doesn't matter how much money is spent designing machines; they can't get the motor patterns for every individual to perfectly match the free weight movements. Have that noob in your scenario learn how to do BB curls the right way, and then there is no need for a machine.

**TJ Cline** · 09-12-2005, 01:33 PM

All of you are 100% wrong

**Squaggleboggin** · 09-12-2005, 01:36 PM

If you're not going to add anything, feel free to not post.

**BUA** · 09-12-2005, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

All of you are 100% wrong

it must be bliss to be foreman!

**CowPimp** · 09-12-2005, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by MyK

its not soo wrong. have you ever been to a physical therapist??? all they have is machines, why do you think that is?? i really want to know!

how are machines "unnatural motor patterns"? do you know how much money is spent designing machines. for example, I would recommend a newb use a preacher hammer strength machine over say BB curls, because the machine would lock them in postions and guide them through the ROM, whereas newbs doing barball curls are all over the place, swining their backs, using their shoulders...

I never disagreed about rehab work. That is a different story. That's why I took that part of what you said out of the quote I used.

Machines are unnatural motor patterns because you have to adapt to the path that the machine chooses instead of making your own. They can be adjusted to some degree, but you are never going to get an exact duplicate of free range motion without being extremely lucky.

A better idea for newbs is to use free weights, but actually use proper form.

**dAMvN** · 09-12-2005, 02:29 PM

i'm not gonna get into this mess cuz i really dont give a damn. but let me just say one thing... you guys disrepect eachother here a lot... noob, dickweed, light kid. etc, etc.. Look at yourself b4 you say anything to anyone. we all come here to learn and better ourselfs. you guys are forgettin the purpose of this forum. and are forgettin that this is over a computer and im 100% sure you guys wont talk like that to each other in real life. so keep your imature little kid comments to yourself cuz your over a computer your not "tough".

**Tough Old Man** · 09-12-2005, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by dAMvN

i'm not gonna get into this mess cuz i really dont give a damn. but let me just say one thing... you guys disrepect eachother here a lot... noob, dickweed, light kid. etc, etc.. Look at yourself b4 you say anything to anyone. we all come here to learn and better ourselfs. you guys are forgettin the purpose of this forum. and are forgettin that this is over a computer and im 100% sure you guys wont talk like that to each other in real life. so keep your imature little kid comments to yourself cuz your over a computer your not "tough".

Fly to San Diego sometime. I'll tell you to go fuck yourself to your face.

**dAMvN** · 09-12-2005, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by Tough Old Man

Fly to San Diego sometime. I'll tell you to go fuck yourself to your face.

Ok, Barry Bonds

**TJ Cline** · 09-12-2005, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by Squaggleboggin

If you're not going to add anything, feel free to not post.

F-ck you punk.....you are wrong, cow pimp is wrong and myk is wrong....get over it.

**god hand** · 09-12-2005, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

F-ck you punk.....you are wrong, cow pimp is wrong and myk is wrong....get over it.

**LexusGS** · 09-12-2005, 04:21 PM

Phyic Yiu

**Squaggleboggin** · 09-12-2005, 05:10 PM

I agree that there are a bunch of morons on this forum. It's turning into their playground, which is very annoying to those of us who use the board for the right reasons. The sad part is, it's almost all adults who act like little kids and then sit there and complain about the teenagers. Get a life and act your age.

**TJ Cline** · 09-12-2005, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by Squaggleboggin

I agree that there are a bunch of morons on this forum. It's turning into their playground, which is very annoying to those of us who use the board for the right reasons. The sad part is, it's almost all adults who act like little kids and then sit there and complain about the teenagers. Get a life and act your age.

You need to take your own advise

**Tough Old Man** · 09-12-2005, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by Squaggleboggin

I agree that there are a bunch of morons on this forum. It's turning into their playground, which is very annoying to those of us who use the board for the right reasons. The sad part is, it's almost all adults who act like little kids and then sit there and complain about the teenagers. Get a life and act your age.

That's cause there's so many kids on this site that half of us have to act there age to figure out the dumb post they put up. It won't be long and pretty soon Robert is going to have to add romper room section for all you kids. Maybe we can get Mr. Rogers, Sheriff John or Captain Kangaroo to come out of retirement to entertain you all

**Lepa** · 09-12-2005, 05:51 PM

Woo romper room!

**Squaggleboggin** · 09-12-2005, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

You need to take your own advise

Have you been drinking again or something? You seem to be in a very strange mood...

Originally Posted by Tough Old Man

That's cause there's so many kids on this site that half of us have to act there age to figure out the dumb post they put up. It won't be long and pretty soon Robert is going to have to add romper room section for all you kids. Maybe we can get Mr. Rogers, Sheriff John or Captain Kangaroo to come out of retirement to entertain you all

If the posts are dumb, simply don't respond. Responding in a stupid way will only encourage them to post more. Let's use our brains here people... It's really not as hard as it seems.

**MyK** · 09-12-2005, 08:01 PM

Foreman is 100% wrong

**TJ Cline** · 09-12-2005, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by Squaggleboggin

Have you been drinking again or something? You seem to be in a very strange mood...

I quit drinking 8/21....and have had no beer the entire time ( except 2 at lunch 3 days ago....oops)
Now show some respect for your elders.

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