Thread: Golgi Tendon

it sounds more like you just ran out of energy and failed on the lift.

yeah it does ...when i'm benching i do 8reps and like on my 6th rep i feel like i could give out but i bust out the other 2reps

No. This only happens on specific movements (mostly pressing where the shoulders are heavily involved) and I can feel that it is not muscular failure.

I'm talking like...4 EASY reps...and then a sudden give out that comes out of nowhere.

what do you mean by easy reps? It sounds like you are just weak in presses.

LOL. Believe me, I know what it means to train to failure. I train as hard as humanly possible and always have.

This is NOT muscular failure. I have been training for 6 years, and I know full and well what muscular failure feels like.

ok nm i dunno ...go see a doctor or something maybe

Weak in presses? I think you're completely missing the point.

what kind of shoulder problems do/did you have?

How am I missing the point? You say that you take a weight you can do 8 times but fail at 5. How do you know you can do it 8 times if you don't even get there? I am just trying to figure out where you are coming from on this.

Originally Posted by Super_Sean

I have a history of shoulder problems, and was told that this sudden "giving out" is due to the "golgi tendon" which is responsible for "shutting off" the joint when it senses that it is being heavily stressed...

Why not ask whoever it was that told you the cause of the problem? If s/he is knowledgeable enough to know, I would think that s/he would be knowledgeable enough to answer your question.

the golgi tendon's job is to make sure you dont rip your muscle off the bone.

Originally Posted by P-funk

what kind of shoulder problems do/did you have?

How am I missing the point? You say that you take a weight you can do 8 times but fail at 5. How do you know you can do it 8 times if you don't even get there? I am just trying to figure out where you are coming from on this.

Because I'm using weights that I normally can do for a certain number of reps but fail far before getting there.

And the type of failure that's occuring is not typical muscular failure. For example, I usually can do 110lb dumbbells for at least 8 reps. Lately, I'll perform 4 fast, easy reps, feel as if I have another 4 or 5 in me, and then out of nowhere my strength sort of "gives out" and for whatever reason I'm physically unable to move the weight. But my muscles don't feel fatigued. It feels as if there is something happening deep inside my shoulder that's stopping me from lifting the weight. It almost feels as if my JOINTS are giving out, not my muscles. It's a very strange sensation.

It doesnt have anything to do with being "weak" in my presses. I'm simply unable to perform the same weights that I can normally do when it shouldn't even be a problem. I've trained long enough to know what muscular failure feels like and to know that this is somethign completely different.

I was just curious as to whether anyone had experienced a similar problem, that's all.

I would be willing to bet a very large sum of money that it is not the Golgi Tendon Organ that is preventing you from going on. How long has it been since you changed up your routine, could be cumulative fatigue/overtraining. Usually as you progress through a training program, your cns gets better at "ignoring" your GTO, not the other way around.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

I would be willing to bet a very large sum of money that it is not the Golgi Tendon Organ that is preventing you from going on. How long has it been since you changed up your routine, could be cumulative fatigue/overtraining. Usually as you progress through a training program, your cns gets better at "ignoring" your GTO, not the other way around.

I think this is prolly what's going on..I know this oh so well.

I like how he got all defensive when P said "weak on presses"

Anyway, I agree with Dale. I was thinking some kind of cns fatigue or something.

LOL.

Dude, I wasn't getting defensive. I just know that's not what the issue is. I AM weak on presses. 110's aint bad for a dumbbell press, but the truth is that I can barely barbell bench press 2 plates.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

I would be willing to bet a very large sum of money that it is not the Golgi Tendon Organ that is preventing you from going on. How long has it been since you changed up your routine, could be cumulative fatigue/overtraining. Usually as you progress through a training program, your cns gets better at "ignoring" your GTO, not the other way around.

Interesting. I really don't know alot about the GTO, but I was told that that was probably what was doing it. That's why I'm asking.

I don't think overtraining is the issue, because I only train 3 days per week with low volume. So I don't think "chronic fatigue" is the issue, but maybe switching up my training style might do the trick.

But that doesn't explain why it only happens on my pressing movements and not on my pulling movements or leg training.

That also happened to me when I was doing my heavy bench with 1000lbs. I only do my heavy bench to impress people at the gym!

Originally Posted by P-funk

it sounds more like you just ran out of energy and failed on the lift.

Yep

Originally Posted by Super_Sean

Interesting. I really don't know alot about the GTO, but I was told that that was probably what was doing it. That's why I'm asking.

I don't think overtraining is the issue, because I only train 3 days per week with low volume. So I don't think "chronic fatigue" is the issue, but maybe switching up my training style might do the trick.

But that doesn't explain why it only happens on my pressing movements and not on my pulling movements or leg training.

Just give changing your routine a try and see if that does the trick.

Originally Posted by Super_Sean

Interesting. I really don't know alot about the GTO, but I was told that that was probably what was doing it. That's why I'm asking.

I don't think overtraining is the issue, because I only train 3 days per week with low volume. So I don't think "chronic fatigue" is the issue, but maybe switching up my training style might do the trick.

But that doesn't explain why it only happens on my pressing movements and not on my pulling movements or leg training.

Define low volume and how long has it been since you have taken time off. The reason I ask is that you may think you are doing low volume, but if 75% of your routine is pressing movements you could still be overtraining that movement. What does your split look like and have you changed anything recently?

I do legs/push/pull....

Monday:
squats x 2
SLDL x 2
standing calf raises x 2
seated calf raises x 2
rope crunches x 2

Wednesday:
decline db press x 2
flat db press x 2
cable crossover x 1
overhead press x 2
side laterals x 1
tricep pushdown x 2
skull crusher x 1

friday:
deadlifts x 2
overhand chins x 2
barbell rows x 2
barbell shrugs x 1
bb curls x 2
db curls x 1

I usually take a week off after 6-8 weeks of training.