pullups vs lat pulldowns

Stewart20 · 10-03-2005, 06:05 PM

i have always assumed the the pullup is a better overall movement than the lat pulldown. However, how much better, if anything, is the pullup to lat pulldowns for BODYBUILDING purposes, not for strength purposes? Can you develop big lats with lat pulldowns exclusively (as well as rows, etc), or will the pullup win out?

I find that I am completely stalled on pullups right now, while my pulldowns keep going up---i have been doing the same weight (bodyweight +25lbs) on pullups for a good month now without improvement, while in the same time I added 30 lbs to my pulldowns. Should I ditch the pullups and switch to only pulldowns once again for a bodybuilding/appearance purpose?

ihateschoolmt · 10-03-2005, 06:11 PM

Pull ups > pull downs for everything. They use your stablizers. It's the same thing as smith squats being shit compared to squats.

Squaggleboggin · 10-03-2005, 07:12 PM

Yates rows will help your upper back strength quite significantly if you're having trouble making progress.

LexusGS · 10-03-2005, 07:28 PM

upper back as in traps?

ihateschoolmt · 10-03-2005, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by LexusGS

upper back as in traps?

Lats.

JayBee · 10-03-2005, 07:59 PM

i have read articles stating that when you move your body through space it generates a different response in the nervouse system and you get more recruitment. it made sense when i read it but that was a long time ago, so i cant do it justice.

lnvanry · 10-03-2005, 08:07 PM

IMO pulldowns are for PL or people who can't pull their body weight up.

What is a Yate's row?

ihateschoolmt · 10-03-2005, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lnvanry

IMO pulldowns are for PL or people who can't pull their body weight up.

What is a Yate's row?

Yate's rows are bent over rows at a 45 degree angle.

lnvanry · 10-03-2005, 08:12 PM

as opposed to what other angle?

ihateschoolmt · 10-03-2005, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lnvanry

as opposed to what other angle?

90 degrees.

min0 lee · 10-03-2005, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lnvanry

IMO pulldowns are for PL or people who can't pull their body weight up.

What is a Yate's row?

It's a bent over raise but with your palms facing up.

ihateschoolmt · 10-03-2005, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by min0 lee

It's a bent over raise but with your palms facing up.

What's the thing I am thinking of called?

min0 lee · 10-03-2005, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ihateschoolmt

What's the thing I am thinking of called?

reverse-grip row?

min0 lee · 10-03-2005, 08:23 PM

suppinated?

ihateschoolmt · 10-03-2005, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by min0 lee

reverse-grip row?

Wait, standard grip on BB rows is pronated? Oh shit lol, I did not know that.

min0 lee · 10-03-2005, 08:27 PM

The yates bentover raise is done at a 45 degree angle you said and I added that he used a reverse grip row.

min0 lee · 10-03-2005, 08:28 PM

ihateschoolmt · 10-03-2005, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by min0 lee

The yates bentover raise is done at a 45 degree angle you said and I added that he used a reverse grip row.

Oh, I got it. I thought you were saying something else.

min0 lee · 10-03-2005, 08:29 PM

Squaggleboggin · 10-03-2005, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

Actually I disagree with this form. You don't want to have to bring the bar around your knees to do the lift. I've always done it bending just enough such that the bar is right above my knees, and then I bring it up along my thighs as high as I can. The other picture you showed seemed to be better.

min0 lee · 10-03-2005, 08:38 PM

It does look odd, I shouldn't have posted the last pic.

10-03-2005, 06:05 PM	#1
Stewart20 My little pain in the ass Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: in my home gym Posts: 2,959 Photos: 2	pullups vs lat pulldowns i have always assumed the the pullup is a better overall movement than the lat pulldown. However, how much better, if anything, is the pullup to lat pulldowns for BODYBUILDING purposes, not for strength purposes? Can you develop big lats with lat pulldowns exclusively (as well as rows, etc), or will the pullup win out? I find that I am completely stalled on pullups right now, while my pulldowns keep going up---i have been doing the same weight (bodyweight +25lbs) on pullups for a good month now without improvement, while in the same time I added 30 lbs to my pulldowns. Should I ditch the pullups and switch to only pulldowns once again for a bodybuilding/appearance purpose?

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JayBee Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 119	i have read articles stating that when you move your body through space it generates a different response in the nervouse system and you get more recruitment. it made sense when i read it but that was a long time ago, so i cant do it justice.
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min0 lee Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: The Bronx, NYC Posts: 33,780 Blog Entries: 3 Photos: 542	The yates bentover raise is done at a 45 degree angle you said and I added that he used a reverse grip row.
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ihateschoolmt Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,796 Photos: 10	Pull ups > pull downs for everything. They use your stablizers. It's the same thing as smith squats being shit compared to squats.

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