Is it possible to...

BigDyl · 10-03-2005, 09:08 PM

Lose fat and gain muscle simutaneously without roids? I know this is a stupid n00b question that I should know by now after posting 2932838 posts, but I'm retarded. I thought it was possible under optimum circumstances?

ihateschoolmt · 10-03-2005, 09:09 PM

Yes. Although, it becomes increasingly difficult the more advanced you get.

BigDyl · 10-03-2005, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ihateschoolmt

Yes. Although, it becomes increasingly difficult the more advanced you get.

Thanks for the input.

Also looking for a more technical answer too though..

ihateschoolmt · 10-03-2005, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigDyl

Thanks for the input.

Also looking for a more technical answer too though..

You mean how do you do it? It depends on the person. What are you stats and body fat?

splach · 10-04-2005, 02:37 PM

Okay, I have the same question so I will post here and you can tell me how dumb I am for trying to build muscle when I have so much fat to loose. My routine is pretty basic, but I do not think I am advanced enough to have to mix it up too much since I am still getting a really good burn.

6' 3" 255lbs 26% BF

Currently:
Cardio 3x per week 30 minutes (bike or orbital jogger)
Lifting 2x per week for 1 - 1.5hr

Routine - Upper body:
Bench 4 sets 10, 8 , 6, to fail with increasing weight
Incline Bench (same)
Wide Bench (same)
Dumbbell Press 4 sets of 8, mixed with dumbbell curl during rest
Triceps pulldown 4 sets 10, 8 , 6, to fail with increasing weight
Bent over dumbbell row (whatever I have left)

Routine - Lower body:
Squat 4 sets 10, 8 , 6, to fail with increasing weight
Leg Press (same)
Dumbbell Lunges (4x 8 with stable weight)
Leg lifts 4 sets 10, 8, 6, to fail with increasing weight
Leg curls (same)
Calf raises 4 sets of 12

Diet:
Breakfast - Prot. Shake (using 2 scoops, 300 cal)
Snack - fruit
Lunch - Chicken or fish and veggies (some starchy vegis)
Snack - fruit
Dinner - More meat and mixed veggies or prot shake

Bench 1RM ~290lbs

Splach

myCATpowerlifts · 10-04-2005, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by splach

Okay, I have the same question so I will post here and you can tell me how dumb I am for trying to build muscle when I have so much fat to loose. My routine is pretty basic, but I do not think I am advanced enough to have to mix it up too much since I am still getting a really good burn.

6' 3" 255lbs 26% BF

Currently:
Cardio 3x per week 30 minutes (bike or orbital jogger)
Lifting 2x per week for 1 - 1.5hr

Routine - Upper body:
Bench 4 sets 10, 8 , 6, to fail with increasing weight
Incline Bench (same)
Wide Bench (same)
Dumbbell Press 4 sets of 8, mixed with dumbbell curl during rest
Triceps pulldown 4 sets 10, 8 , 6, to fail with increasing weight
Bent over dumbbell row (whatever I have left)

Routine - Lower body:
Squat 4 sets 10, 8 , 6, to fail with increasing weight
Leg Press (same)
Dumbbell Lunges (4x 8 with stable weight)
Leg lifts 4 sets 10, 8, 6, to fail with increasing weight
Leg curls (same)
Calf raises 4 sets of 12

Diet:
Breakfast - Prot. Shake (using 2 scoops, 300 cal)
Snack - fruit
Lunch - Chicken or fish and veggies (some starchy vegis)
Snack - fruit
Dinner - More meat and mixed veggies or prot shake

Bench 1RM ~290lbs

Splach

Woah. You are trying to gain muscle on that diet? What are your cals like 2000?

You need protein for both snacks, and you need a carb for breakfast, as well as the shake.

TJ Cline · 10-04-2005, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by splach

Diet:
Breakfast - Prot. Shake (using 2 scoops, 300 cal)
Snack - fruit
Lunch - Chicken or fish and veggies (some starchy vegis)
Snack - fruit
Dinner - More meat and mixed veggies or prot shake

Bench 1RM ~290lbs

Splach

That is a really shitty diet

you need 6 meals a day..with a calorie breakdown something like this 400 cal per meal.....40 prot...30 carb...14 fat....
every meal.

splach · 10-04-2005, 04:47 PM

Heh... Thanks for validating that. The title of the thread was "Is it possible" (not my thread, just the one I stole). The diet is to try and drop 40 lbs of fat, the workouts right now are to try to keep from cannibalizing the muscle I have. Based on your answers I am going to go with the conventional wisdom of "No" you can't do it, since there is no way I am going to drop 40 lbs eating 2500 - 3000 calories a day. Maybe I should up the cardio and reduce the lifting until I get closer to my goal weight.

Oh, and yeah, I do realize this is Iron Mag, not Morbidly Obese mag. :P

10-04-2005, 02:37 PM	#5
splach Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 22	Okay, I have the same question so I will post here and you can tell me how dumb I am for trying to build muscle when I have so much fat to loose. My routine is pretty basic, but I do not think I am advanced enough to have to mix it up too much since I am still getting a really good burn. 6' 3" 255lbs 26% BF Currently: Cardio 3x per week 30 minutes (bike or orbital jogger) Lifting 2x per week for 1 - 1.5hr Routine - Upper body: Bench 4 sets 10, 8 , 6, to fail with increasing weight Incline Bench (same) Wide Bench (same) Dumbbell Press 4 sets of 8, mixed with dumbbell curl during rest Triceps pulldown 4 sets 10, 8 , 6, to fail with increasing weight Bent over dumbbell row (whatever I have left) Routine - Lower body: Squat 4 sets 10, 8 , 6, to fail with increasing weight Leg Press (same) Dumbbell Lunges (4x 8 with stable weight) Leg lifts 4 sets 10, 8, 6, to fail with increasing weight Leg curls (same) Calf raises 4 sets of 12 Diet: Breakfast - Prot. Shake (using 2 scoops, 300 cal) Snack - fruit Lunch - Chicken or fish and veggies (some starchy vegis) Snack - fruit Dinner - More meat and mixed veggies or prot shake Bench 1RM ~290lbs Splach
splach Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 22

10-04-2005, 04:47 PM	#8
splach Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 22	Heh... Thanks for validating that. The title of the thread was "Is it possible" (not my thread, just the one I stole). The diet is to try and drop 40 lbs of fat, the workouts right now are to try to keep from cannibalizing the muscle I have. Based on your answers I am going to go with the conventional wisdom of "No" you can't do it, since there is no way I am going to drop 40 lbs eating 2500 - 3000 calories a day. Maybe I should up the cardio and reduce the lifting until I get closer to my goal weight. Oh, and yeah, I do realize this is Iron Mag, not Morbidly Obese mag. :P
splach Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 22

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ihateschoolmt Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,796 Photos: 10	Yes. Although, it becomes increasingly difficult the more advanced you get.