ZONE

Ok last Sunday.. 11 days ago... I did squats.. I was in a hurry and well didn't want to go all the way down// so I did something different.. I went to just ABOVE Parallel and did them kinda fast.. 2 down 1 up doing sets of 15. and man.. did my ass and thighs hurt.. not right away but they started about24 hours out and then for the next 2-3 days.. so I did the same thing Monday night.. 2 days ago and got the same results... I'm using the same weight.. but doing 15 reps above parallel instead of 8-10 all the way down...

I wanted everyones opinion on what such the big Difference because my legs haven't hurt like this in a long time...

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TheSupremeBeing

Different fibers, and the connective tissue is stressed differently to a greater degree due to greater force (force = mass X acceleration). The primary reason you get less sore after doing an exercise for a while is the "repeated bout effect", which is the adaptation of connective tissues specific to the movement.

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Prince

I do the same thing on leg press.

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ZONE

I have a hard time figuring out what this guy is saying

Thanks guys it was just kinda wierd




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crowman

Oh man, I really hate that soreness you get like 2 days after, it's the worst. It's called delayed on-set muscle sorness it's been a while since I read about it, but I think it's because of some protein that builds up. It has been shown that taking vitamin E can help reduce it.

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TheSupremeBeing

Soreness is caused when the training you perform stimulates Type IV pain receptors in muscle.

Not that anyone cares....

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cytrix

you probably felt it much more because you changed the speed of the movement, not so much because you didn't go as deep. i experienced the same a couple of weeks ago, doing lunges in the smith machine, i usually do a 2/2 tempo, that time i did 1/1 and more reps, and my butt and legs were hurting pretty good.

ALBOB

What he said, you're putting more stress on the muscle because you're going faster. Hit a wall with a 3,000 lb. car at 30 MPH and then at 60 MPH, which will hit harder? Same with lifting weights, going faster=greater force=more soreness.


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Maki Riddington

[quote]Originally posted by ALBOB:
*** Not nessicarily true.

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TheSupremeBeing

Which part, Maki?

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Maki Riddington

The part that was stated, "equlas greater soreness".

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TheSupremeBeing

Ah, ok.

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ALBOB

Come on Maki, it's not often TSB and I agree so don't pi$$ in our Wheaties. What do you mean?



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Maki Riddington

Why don't you explain why greater speed of contraction equals greater soreness?

It doesn't. I know but do you?

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ALBOB

OOps, looks like you answered my question before I asked it, thanks Maki. You're right, I shouldn't have used the soreness reference. But, moving the weight faster does equal greater force applied to the muscle. (What is this TSB, three or four times in a row we've agreed. Looks like we're going for a record.)

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Mace

So would this also explain why my muscles ache more the SECOND day after lifting, not the day after?

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ALBOB

NO, Delayed On-set Muscle Soreness (DOMS) is a personal thing, it hits everyone differently. I'm like you, the pain REALLY hits two or three days later. Other people can barely walk the next day, but are fine two or three days later. I know I'm gonna get trashed for saying this, but I use DOMS as an indication of how well I did in the gym. If I don't feel soreness in the target muscle group I either whimped out on my last workout or it's time to change things up because my body has adapted to my current routine. To all you who say that's total B.S. and you can't tell anything by DOMS, that's fine, I'm not going to argue with you, but it's a good yardstick for me.

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cytrix

i agree with albob, if i don't get sore i know i need to change something

Maki Riddington

I guees you could liken it to achieving a pump?

Which IMHO is bollox.

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ALBOB

It's weird you mention a pump. I've been lifting for nine years now and in all that time I've never understood "The Pump." I've gotten a pump before, but there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to if or when I get one. High reps, low reps, anywhere in between I never get the same pump twice. I don't have any idea how somebody can guage their workout from a pump. DOMS seems to be something that I can really judge and compare from one workout to the next. If I truely know I gave it everything I've got on a particular workout, and I don't get sore in a couple of days, I know it's time to change my routine.



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