Fat and muscles

Jason Da Bodiful · 09-05-2001, 05:36 AM

OK, I read that fats are fats and muscles are muscles, meaning they have no connections with each other. However...

1) For example there's this layer of FAT in my triceps, does that mean that no matter how hard I lift, that Fat will neverever go away or turn to mucles, UNLESS I kill enough calories and make the fat burn off?

2) Despite that layer of fat (regardless anywhere), is it possible for new muscles to appear? Or must I eliminate all the fat first?

Scotty the Body · 09-05-2001, 10:12 AM

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Originally posted by Jason Da Bodiful:
OK, I read that fats are fats and muscles are muscles, meaning they have no connections with each other. However...

1) For example there's this layer of FAT in my triceps, does that mean that no matter how hard I lift, that Fat will neverever go away or turn to muscles, UNLESS I kill enough calories and make the fat burn off?

You can lift all you want and the fat won't go away till you reduce your BF%, to do this you need to burn more calories than you take in.

2) Despite that layer of fat (regardless anywhere), is it possible for new muscles to appear? Or must I eliminate all the fat first?

No, you don't have to get rid of fat to build muscle, in fact, its very hard to build muscle when your BF is low.

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ALBOB · 09-05-2001, 01:26 PM

Like Scotty said, it doesn't matter what you do in terms of lifting, to get rid of fat you have to take in less calories than you burn. On the other hand, if you want to talk percentages, you could try to increase your lean muscle tissue without appreciably increasing your fat stores. That would cause your BF% to go down making you look leaner. That's much easier said than done, but it is possible.

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seyone · 09-05-2001, 08:45 PM

"is it possible for new muscles to appear?"

actually you can't make "new muscles", you can only make them bigger. unfortunately you can grow new fat cells.

Herc · 09-06-2001, 09:11 AM

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[b]unfortunately you can grow new fat cells.

Actually, if I remember correctly that after puberty no new fat cells are produced by the body. However they have a much greater expansion ratio than muscle cells, so can become exponentially larger later in life.

Can someone back this up? or am I confusing this with some other factoid?

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Maki Riddington · 09-06-2001, 12:01 PM

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Originally posted by Herc:

Actually, if I remember correctly that after puberty no new fat cells are produced by the body.

Can someone back this up? or am I confusing this with some other factoid?

*** There is evidence that points out that after acertain amount of excess body fat is accumalated there can be a increase in number and not just size.

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shooter · 09-06-2001, 12:25 PM

Disclaimer: This is a cut n paste, shooter will not guarantee accuracy.

The Truth About Fat
One myth that keeps many people in the dark about liposuction is that fat will never return to the treated areas. Experience has shown us that the fat can indeed come back to some degree if the patient gains weight. However, most patients maintain an improved and more proportional shape, even if they do gain some weight after having liposuction.

By the time we reach physical maturity, we have a fixed number of fat cells in our bodies. When we gain weight, those cells actually grow in size. They aren't thought to multiply; it's believed that each cell actually gets "fatter." Liposuction cuts the number of fat cells in a local area of the body, but whatever cells remain can still expand if you gain weight. If, after you've had lipo, you eat improperly without exercising, the extra calories always find a home. Tightness created by the local healing process may prevent the fat from returning to the liposuctioned areas to some degree. If you really lose control of yourself and gain a lot of weight, areas that were not treated, such as face, arms, buttocks, neck or breasts, can balloon.

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**Prince** · 09-06-2001, 12:51 PM

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Originally posted by Jason Da Bodiful:

1) For example there's this layer of FAT in my triceps, does that mean that no matter how hard I lift, that Fat will never ever go away or turn to mucles, UNLESS I kill enough calories and make the fat burn off?
<FONT COLOR="blue">That's correct,the fat will NEVER turn to muscle, you need to lose the fat.</FONT c>

2) Despite that layer of fat (regardless anywhere), is it possible for new muscles to appear? Or must I eliminate all the fat first?
<FONT COLOR="blue">No, new muscles do not appear, when you lose body fat muscles will become "visible" that may not have been visible before the fat loss. But, they are not new.</FONT c>

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ALBOB · 09-06-2001, 11:05 PM

I can't back that up with specific studies, but I'll give you a second vote. No new fat cells after puberty is what I've always heard too.

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Scotty the Body · 09-06-2001, 11:24 PM

Hmmmmmm, I'm not sure bout that.

How do you explain the guy I went to school with that was like a bean pole through school but at our 10 year reunion was like 300lb butterball?

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shooter · 09-06-2001, 11:27 PM

As your body stores more fat, the number of fat cells remains the same; each fat cell simply gets bigger.

Same goes for when you lose weight, you can't "lose" a fat cell, only make it smaller.

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Scotty the Body · 09-06-2001, 11:36 PM

What about lipo suction? if I were to say get them sucked out, then I wouldn't get fat?

I'm still not convinced.

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Jason Da Bodiful · 09-07-2001, 08:05 AM

OK, so as long as the layer of fat is there, does that mean I'm wasting my time doing all those lifting?

seyone · 09-07-2001, 08:15 AM

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Originally posted by Jason Da Bodiful:
OK, so as long as the layer of fat is there, does that mean I'm wasting my time doing all those lifting?

no, it just means that your muscles won't show as well as they would if you had less fat.

Jason Da Bodiful · 09-07-2001, 08:20 AM

Thanks seyone

One last question. Currently I am 150 lbs, and my goal is to bulk till 165. However, there is now this patch of fat in my arms which deprive my muscles from showing (it's also flabby).

So now should I proceed with my bulking and only burn of those fat to expose muscles once I reach 165 lbs, or should I start to burn of the fats NOW than bulk up later? Which one is better?

**Prince** · 09-07-2001, 08:21 AM

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Originally posted by Jason Da Bodiful:
OK, so as long as the layer of fat is there, does that mean I'm wasting my time doing all those lifting?

No.

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ALBOB · 09-07-2001, 08:22 AM

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Originally posted by Jason Da Bodiful:does that mean I'm wasting my time doing all those lifting?

Lifting is never a waste of time, you just need to decide what your goals are. If you want to get bigger don't worry about the fat, you're gonna get some, but you'll get lots of muscle too. If you want to get ripped lifting is still good because it helps boost your metabolism and also gives you the muscle that looks so good once you strip away the fat that's covering it.

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Skyliner · 09-07-2001, 07:08 PM

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Originally posted by Jason Da Bodiful:
Thanks seyone

One last question. Currently I am 150 lbs, and my goal is to bulk till 165. However, there is now this patch of fat in my arms which deprive my muscles from showing (it's also flabby).

So now should I proceed with my bulking and only burn of those fat to expose muscles once I reach 165 lbs, or should I start to burn of the fats NOW than bulk up later? Which one is better?

Bulking up first than cutting seems better to me. Not sure what others here might think though.

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seyone · 09-07-2001, 10:28 PM

you won't get very far if you try to bulk and cut at the same time. try to put on as much muscle as possible while bulking and you will put on fat too but try to limit it. then when you hit your target you can start to lean out showing your hard earned muscle.

09-05-2001, 05:36 AM	#1
Jason Da Bodiful Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 47	Fat and muscles OK, I read that fats are fats and muscles are muscles, meaning they have no connections with each other. However... 1) For example there's this layer of FAT in my triceps, does that mean that no matter how hard I lift, that Fat will neverever go away or turn to mucles, UNLESS I kill enough calories and make the fat burn off? 2) Despite that layer of fat (regardless anywhere), is it possible for new muscles to appear? Or must I eliminate all the fat first?

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09-05-2001, 01:26 PM	#3
ALBOB IDIOT SAVANT Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: An alternate reality. Posts: 10,177	Like Scotty said, it doesn't matter what you do in terms of lifting, to get rid of fat you have to take in less calories than you burn. On the other hand, if you want to talk percentages, you could try to increase your lean muscle tissue without appreciably increasing your fat stores. That would cause your BF% to go down making you look leaner. That's much easier said than done, but it is possible. ------------------ Life is hard so quit whining and go out there and be alive.

09-05-2001, 08:45 PM	#4
seyone M. I. A. Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Philly Posts: 2,562	"is it possible for new muscles to appear?" actually you can't make "new muscles", you can only make them bigger. unfortunately you can grow new fat cells.

09-06-2001, 12:25 PM	#7
shooter I am Canadian Elite Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Canada Posts: 206	Disclaimer: This is a cut n paste, shooter will not guarantee accuracy. The Truth About Fat One myth that keeps many people in the dark about liposuction is that fat will never return to the treated areas. Experience has shown us that the fat can indeed come back to some degree if the patient gains weight. However, most patients maintain an improved and more proportional shape, even if they do gain some weight after having liposuction. By the time we reach physical maturity, we have a fixed number of fat cells in our bodies. When we gain weight, those cells actually grow in size. They aren't thought to multiply; it's believed that each cell actually gets "fatter." Liposuction cuts the number of fat cells in a local area of the body, but whatever cells remain can still expand if you gain weight. If, after you've had lipo, you eat improperly without exercising, the extra calories always find a home. Tightness created by the local healing process may prevent the fat from returning to the liposuctioned areas to some degree. If you really lose control of yourself and gain a lot of weight, areas that were not treated, such as face, arms, buttocks, neck or breasts, can balloon. ------------------ If you can't run with the big dogs...don't get off the porch.

09-06-2001, 11:05 PM	#9
ALBOB IDIOT SAVANT Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: An alternate reality. Posts: 10,177	I can't back that up with specific studies, but I'll give you a second vote. No new fat cells after puberty is what I've always heard too. ------------------ Life is hard so quit whining and go out there and be alive.

09-06-2001, 11:24 PM	#10
Scotty the Body I'm Dead Sexxxxy!! Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Canada Posts: 4,970	Hmmmmmm, I'm not sure bout that. How do you explain the guy I went to school with that was like a bean pole through school but at our 10 year reunion was like 300lb butterball? ------------------ Just another day in the gutter

09-06-2001, 11:27 PM	#11
shooter I am Canadian Elite Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Canada Posts: 206	As your body stores more fat, the number of fat cells remains the same; each fat cell simply gets bigger. Same goes for when you lose weight, you can't "lose" a fat cell, only make it smaller. ------------------ If you can't run with the big dogs...don't get off the porch.

09-06-2001, 11:36 PM	#12
Scotty the Body I'm Dead Sexxxxy!! Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Canada Posts: 4,970	What about lipo suction? if I were to say get them sucked out, then I wouldn't get fat? I'm still not convinced. ------------------ Just another day in the gutter

09-07-2001, 08:05 AM	#13
Jason Da Bodiful Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 47	OK, so as long as the layer of fat is there, does that mean I'm wasting my time doing all those lifting?

09-07-2001, 08:20 AM	#15
Jason Da Bodiful Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 47	Thanks seyone One last question. Currently I am 150 lbs, and my goal is to bulk till 165. However, there is now this patch of fat in my arms which deprive my muscles from showing (it's also flabby). So now should I proceed with my bulking and only burn of those fat to expose muscles once I reach 165 lbs, or should I start to burn of the fats NOW than bulk up later? Which one is better?

09-07-2001, 10:28 PM	#19
seyone M. I. A. Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Philly Posts: 2,562	you won't get very far if you try to bulk and cut at the same time. try to put on as much muscle as possible while bulking and you will put on fat too but try to limit it. then when you hit your target you can start to lean out showing your hard earned muscle.