Help Needed

**dg806** · 10-27-2005, 10:35 AM

I am looking for some old threads, where GP and others are discussing isolating upper and lower chest. The sticky we have is good, but I remember the old thread having some technical points in it that I am looking to print for a friend of mine here in the office. I have tried to convince him that isolation is a myth and he refuses to believe me and I want to print the sticky and several other threads for him to read. If you know where any old threads on this topic are, please post. Thanks.

**Dale Mabry** · 10-27-2005, 10:39 AM

Here is a good read for you naysayers...

Myth # 4. Wide grip works the outer pec and narrow grip the inner pec.
The typical belief is that the wider the hands the more you will hit the outer pec and the narrower grip will hit the inner pec. Well there is a major problem here. The Pectoralis Major has two portions a lower, the sternocostal head and an upper, the clavicular head. There are no inner and outer pecs anatomically speaking. Let me define a narrow and wide grip. In two separate studies, researchers determined narrow grip as the distance between your acromion processes (slide you hand down your trap and the bony bump you hit is the acromion). They then applied this measurement to the hand spacing (distance between index fingers) on the bar. Wide grip was two times the narrow grip distance. Both groups of researchers found that grips that were 1.65 to 2 times their narrow grip were the most effective strength wise. The way you can determine your grip is to measure the distance between your acromion processes. Now measure the distance between your index fingers when you bench. Divide the bench distance by the acromion distance and if your number is between 1.65 and 2.00 you are in an optimal position (Clemons, J. & Aaron, C, 1997; Wagner, et. al, 1992). In the research, the activation of the upper and lower portions of the pec muscle are affected by different hand spacing. In one study it was found that the wider grip placed more stress on the sternocostal head than the narrow grip. The narrow grip seemed to activate the clavicular head more effectively then a wide grip. The narrow grip also activated the triceps more than the wide (Barnett, Kippers & Turner, 1995).

**dg806** · 10-27-2005, 12:01 PM

Thanks buckwheat!

PreMier · 10-27-2005, 12:57 PM

I started one of the threads..

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...ad.php?t=30621 (Incline for upper chest?)

myCATpowerlifts · 10-27-2005, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PreMier

I started one of the threads..

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...ad.php?t=30621 (Incline for upper chest?)

That's the one he was looking for I think...i remember that thread.

**dg806** · 10-27-2005, 02:24 PM

No that is not the one. The one I was looking for is several years old. I'm not even sure if it is still in the database. I have searched but cannot find it. Maybe I'm not searching the right words?

**P-funk** · 10-27-2005, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dg806

No that is not the one. The one I was looking for is several years old. I'm not even sure if it is still in the database. I have searched but cannot find it. Maybe I'm not searching the right words?

yea, if I were looking for a thred on the upper chest on this site I would search for words or phrases like:

fuck you
asshole
piece of shit
dick head
stupid mother fucker

those seem to be those most popular when that debate arises.

soxmuscle · 10-27-2005, 03:51 PM

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...t=37986&page=1 (bench pressing)

This is a really good one, probably the one you were looking for..

topolo · 10-27-2005, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P-funk

yea, if I were looking for a thred on the upper chest on this site I would search for words or phrases like:

fuck you
asshole
piece of shit
dick head
stupid mother fucker

those seem to be those most popular when that debate arises.

Triple Threat · 10-27-2005, 04:46 PM

Funky has been taking his funny pills.

Stu · 10-27-2005, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...t=37986&page=1 (bench pressing)

This is a really good one, probably the one you were looking for..

yeah the bit where johnny starts talking about cleavage is classic

Tough Old Man · 10-27-2005, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P-funk

yea, if I were looking for a thred on the upper chest on this site I would search for words or phrases like:

fuck you
asshole
piece of shit
dick head
stupid mother fucker

those seem to be those most popular when that debate arises.

Again Patrick has all the correct answeres

**dg806** · 10-27-2005, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P-funk

yea, if I were looking for a thred on the upper chest on this site I would search for words or phrases like:

fuck you
asshole
piece of shit
dick head
stupid mother fucker

those seem to be those most popular when that debate arises.

Very true. This one I think had Gopro, Chicken Daddy and some Wbb guys. Yeah I know, why do I want that. It's classic though, if I remember correctly.
I'm guessing it's gone now.

**CowPimp** · 10-27-2005, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P-funk

yea, if I were looking for a thred on the upper chest on this site I would search for words or phrases like:

fuck you
asshole
piece of shit
dick head
stupid mother fucker

those seem to be those most popular when that debate arises.

Hahaha. I actually did laugh out loud at this a little.

10-27-2005, 10:35 AM	#1
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 17,435	Help Needed I am looking for some old threads, where GP and others are discussing isolating upper and lower chest. The sticky we have is good, but I remember the old thread having some technical points in it that I am looking to print for a friend of mine here in the office. I have tried to convince him that isolation is a myth and he refuses to believe me and I want to print the sticky and several other threads for him to read. If you know where any old threads on this topic are, please post. Thanks.
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10-27-2005, 10:39 AM	#2
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 13,881 Photos: 10	Here is a good read for you naysayers... Myth # 4. Wide grip works the outer pec and narrow grip the inner pec. The typical belief is that the wider the hands the more you will hit the outer pec and the narrower grip will hit the inner pec. Well there is a major problem here. The Pectoralis Major has two portions a lower, the sternocostal head and an upper, the clavicular head. There are no inner and outer pecs anatomically speaking. Let me define a narrow and wide grip. In two separate studies, researchers determined narrow grip as the distance between your acromion processes (slide you hand down your trap and the bony bump you hit is the acromion). They then applied this measurement to the hand spacing (distance between index fingers) on the bar. Wide grip was two times the narrow grip distance. Both groups of researchers found that grips that were 1.65 to 2 times their narrow grip were the most effective strength wise. The way you can determine your grip is to measure the distance between your acromion processes. Now measure the distance between your index fingers when you bench. Divide the bench distance by the acromion distance and if your number is between 1.65 and 2.00 you are in an optimal position (Clemons, J. & Aaron, C, 1997; Wagner, et. al, 1992). In the research, the activation of the upper and lower portions of the pec muscle are affected by different hand spacing. In one study it was found that the wider grip placed more stress on the sternocostal head than the narrow grip. The narrow grip seemed to activate the clavicular head more effectively then a wide grip. The narrow grip also activated the triceps more than the wide (Barnett, Kippers & Turner, 1995).
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10-27-2005, 12:01 PM	#3
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 17,435	Thanks buckwheat!
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10-27-2005, 12:57 PM	#4
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,300 Photos: 2	I started one of the threads.. http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...ad.php?t=30621 (Incline for upper chest?)
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10-27-2005, 02:24 PM	#6
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 17,435	No that is not the one. The one I was looking for is several years old. I'm not even sure if it is still in the database. I have searched but cannot find it. Maybe I'm not searching the right words?
	www.sbmuscle.com

10-27-2005, 03:51 PM	#8
soxmuscle do work son Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: I will eat your face Posts: 8,541 Photos: 10	http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...t=37986&page=1 (bench pressing) This is a really good one, probably the one you were looking for..
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10-27-2005, 04:46 PM	#10
Triple Threat ... Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lost Posts: 9,490 Photos: 6	Funky has been taking his funny pills.

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