Arnolds Strength Feats

Squaggleboggin · 11-01-2005, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mudge

Its not humanly possible, that I've seen to accomplish something naturally. If you think it comes easily just because steroids are in the mix, that would only be true for a very small percentage of the population. I speak from experience.

Again, I'm not saying it doesn't take work or that it makes it easy to accomplish things. I'm simply saying that I don't respect the athletes who use as much as those who are natural and that the naturals have to work harder to achieve the same results, which is why they deserve the extra respect. If you disagree with me that's fine...

Triple Threat · 11-01-2005, 06:47 PM

OK, it's a well-known fact that if you use steroids and workout properly and eat properly, you'll gain muscle and strength. But what about PL gear? If you continually bench press using a BP shirt, for example, will you gain size and/or strength?

Squaggleboggin · 11-01-2005, 06:54 PM

If used properly, it'll force your triceps to become stronger because it basically helps the chest the most. However, your chest won't grow as much as it can because it'll be receiving help. Personally, I refuse to use anything that helps add more weight.

swordfish · 11-01-2005, 07:03 PM

It's not just for adding weight to the bench press, it also is a safety thing. In case a lifter can't make the lift he might tear a pec more easily without a shirt, the shirt can provide the pec not to tear as easily and IF it does, then it keeps it kind of 'confined to an area' if you will.

Squaggleboggin · 11-01-2005, 07:19 PM

IMO if the weight is enough to tear your muscle to such a degree, it probably shouldn't be attempted.

**P-funk** · 11-01-2005, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by swordfish

It's not just for adding weight to the bench press, it also is a safety thing. In case a lifter can't make the lift he might tear a pec more easily without a shirt, the shirt can provide the pec not to tear as easily and IF it does, then it keeps it kind of 'confined to an area' if you will.

the original intent of the shirt was protection against injury since guys were getting up to subtational weights in their bench press. After they realized that they could get more weight out of the shirt that was when the shirt craze took off and they started developing shirts specifically for the benefit of hitting bigger numbers.

Squag- what is your feeling on belts or chalk? They too are a crutch used for contest (or gym) lifting to add a little more to the bar.

Squaggleboggin · 11-01-2005, 07:42 PM

I don't like belts either. Chalk, however, does not help add any strength to the muscle - it just helps the bar stay in place and you still have to have all the grip strength (it basically just absorbs any moisture as far as I know, which doesn't make anything stronger). Wrist straps, on the other hand, help hold the bar for you. To me, there's a difference.

ihateschoolmt · 11-01-2005, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Squaggleboggin

I don't like belts either. Chalk, however, does not help add any strength to the muscle - it just helps the bar stay in place and you still have to have all the grip strength (it basically just absorbs any moisture as far as I know, which doesn't make anything stronger). Wrist straps, on the other hand, help hold the bar for you. To me, there's a difference.

Yea, my hands sweat really bad. I would be fucked with out chalk.

* Legion * · 11-01-2005, 07:45 PM

After reading some REALLY old school lifting literature, I begin to wonder exacly when the "bench press" became the test of strength. Personally, I care little about it. Certainly, it is impressive to see a man attempt to bench 1000 lbs, shirted or not. Anyone who can do so is NOT someone that I would criticize. Squaggle is making a personal statement that reflects his particular "training moral" if you will, which is all well and good. Sometimes, I get frustrated that weight training of any sort has to become so darn philosophical. For me, it is a time to test myself along a varied set of movements, bench included. I will not go out and get a shirt, because I am cheap. Some do. Excellent. Keep lifting, do your roids if that is your schtick. Some need them, some want them, some, like me, are tempted every day to try them. But, my level of aggression and mental instability is high enough withought becoming a testosterone dump.

I sweat a lot. Bench shirts would just get smelly.

**P-funk** · 11-01-2005, 07:51 PM

I agree, the belt is a crutch. I do see the point in wearing one if you are in a meet and hitting heavy pr's, just for safety purposes (even though i don't use one).

chalk is great for helping secure your grip on the bar and keeping ir from slipping.

I don't agree with bench shirts, squat suits etc., either. I don't take away from those guys either. A 1000lb bench press with a shirt still means that guy has an incredibly raw bench press (800lbs, maybe more). And hey, that is 1000 fucking pounds!! Suit or not he still has to hold that shit in his hands, over his chest none the less. Total friggin' props. That is just bad ass IMO.

* Legion * · 11-01-2005, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by P-funk

I agree, the belt is a crutch. I do see the point in wearing one if you are in a meet and hitting heavy pr's, just for safety purposes (even though i don't use one).

chalk is great for helping secure your grip on the bar and keeping ir from slipping.

I don't agree with bench shirts, squat suits etc., either. I don't take away from those guys either. A 1000lb bench press with a shirt still means that guy has an incredibly raw bench press (800lbs, maybe more). And hey, that is 1000 fucking pounds!! Suit or not he still has to hold that shit in his hands, over his chest none the less. Total friggin' props. That is just bad ass IMO.

Stop using my words. I just said that. How unoriginal.

Squaggleboggin · 11-01-2005, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by * Legion *

Stop using my words. I just said that. How unoriginal.

Haha. I'm glad some people seem to have somewhat similar thought patterns along these lines.

* Legion * · 11-01-2005, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Squaggleboggin

Haha. I'm glad some people seem to have somewhat similar thought patterns along these lines.

NNO NONONONON!!!! I WAS JUST PLAYING!!!!

**CowPimp** · 11-01-2005, 10:35 PM

Sounds like I share your training morals, so to speak. I don't like straps, shirts/suits, or belts. When it comes to straps, I say if you can't hold it, then you don't deserve to lift it.

I'm not going to hold it against you if you use a belt once in a while, but just don't walk around your whole workout with a belt on like a jackass. You don't need a belt to do bicep curls for God's sake.

As well, I think chalk is fine. It doesn't artifically add strength in any way, but certainly is great for sweaty hands. Actually, I have never used chalk myself as my hands don't typically get really sweaty (I can't say the same about the rest of me), but I certainly see the point.

TJ Cline · 11-01-2005, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by P-funk

I agree, the belt is a crutch. I do see the point in wearing one if you are in a meet and hitting heavy pr's, just for safety purposes (even though i don't use one).

chalk is great for helping secure your grip on the bar and keeping ir from slipping.

I don't agree with bench shirts, squat suits etc., either. I don't take away from those guys either. A 1000lb bench press with a shirt still means that guy has an incredibly raw bench press (800lbs, maybe more). And hey, that is 1000 fucking pounds!! Suit or not he still has to hold that shit in his hands, over his chest none the less. Total friggin' props. That is just bad ass IMO.

The raw world record is 715...so there are no raw 800 benchers....yet

Lee Delroy · 11-01-2005, 11:28 PM

The Raw Bench record is actually 754lbs. It was achieved by a man at my local gym.

soxmuscle · 11-01-2005, 11:43 PM

I wear straps for deadlifts and shrugs and gloves for all my workouts, but no chalk, belt, or anything else.

The thing with straps is my back is so much stronger than what my grip strength can hold, like a 100+ pound difference...

**P-funk** · 11-02-2005, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ForemanRules

The raw world record is 715...so there are no raw 800 benchers....yet

the raw bench press is set by guy who train raw and compete raw.

guys that lift in gear usually don't train their max's raw and if they are getting 200lbs or less out of their shirt it is safe to assume that they can bench press more than 715lbs if they are benching 1000lbs suited.

Just because 715 is the best someone has done in a raw meet doesn't mean it is the best anyone can do. Andy Bolt has the record for a 934lb deadlift...Bendikt Magnussun pulled 937 (or 940 or something like that). However, because it wasn't done in a meet it doesn't count. But, he still lifted more.

**CowPimp** · 11-02-2005, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle

I wear straps for deadlifts and shrugs and gloves for all my workouts, but no chalk, belt, or anything else.

The thing with straps is my back is so much stronger than what my grip strength can hold, like a 100+ pound difference...

Then you should be hitting your grip 2-3 times per week until it gets up to speed, in my opinion. You can do what you want, but that's just my feelings on the situation. My grip used to hold me back in deadlifts, but I refused to use straps. Eventually my grip caught up.

Squaggleboggin · 11-02-2005, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by CowPimp

Then you should be hitting your grip 2-3 times per week until it gets up to speed, in my opinion. You can do what you want, but that's just my feelings on the situation. My grip used to hold me back in deadlifts, but I refused to use straps. Eventually my grip caught up.

I agree. I'm even thinking about switching back to a double overhand grip again just to get a little extra grip work.

TJ Cline · 11-02-2005, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by P-funk

the raw bench press is set by guy who train raw and compete raw.

guys that lift in gear usually don't train their max's raw and if they are getting 200lbs or less out of their shirt it is safe to assume that they can bench press more than 715lbs if they are benching 1000lbs suited.

Just because 715 is the best someone has done in a raw meet doesn't mean it is the best anyone can do. Andy Bolt has the record for a 934lb deadlift...Bendikt Magnussun pulled 937 (or 940 or something like that). However, because it wasn't done in a meet it doesn't count. But, he still lifted more.

I was under the impression that Gene Rychlak Jr.and Scot Mendelson were the top Raw and shirted bencher's in the world??
Looked it up but could only find records that were 1 year old.

**P-funk** · 11-02-2005, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ForemanRules

I was under the impression that Gene Rychlak Jr.and Scot Mendelson were the top Raw and shirted bencher's in the world??
Looked it up but could only find records that were 1 year old.

I don't think so?

I believe I read an interview with Gene Rychlak and he was asked what he cuold bench for a 1RM raw and he said something to the effect of "I don't know. I don't care. I don't compete in raw meets so i don't worry about what I can bench raw." I think it was him that said that.

11-01-2005, 06:54 PM	#33
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11-01-2005, 07:19 PM	#35
Squaggleboggin Functional Lifting = Life Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 3,540 Photos: 3	IMO if the weight is enough to tear your muscle to such a degree, it probably shouldn't be attempted.
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11-01-2005, 07:42 PM	#37
Squaggleboggin Functional Lifting = Life Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 3,540 Photos: 3	I don't like belts either. Chalk, however, does not help add any strength to the muscle - it just helps the bar stay in place and you still have to have all the grip strength (it basically just absorbs any moisture as far as I know, which doesn't make anything stronger). Wrist straps, on the other hand, help hold the bar for you. To me, there's a difference.
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11-01-2005, 07:45 PM	#39
* Legion * Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Suburb of Chicago, Il. USA Posts: 711 Photos: 2	After reading some REALLY old school lifting literature, I begin to wonder exacly when the "bench press" became the test of strength. Personally, I care little about it. Certainly, it is impressive to see a man attempt to bench 1000 lbs, shirted or not. Anyone who can do so is NOT someone that I would criticize. Squaggle is making a personal statement that reflects his particular "training moral" if you will, which is all well and good. Sometimes, I get frustrated that weight training of any sort has to become so darn philosophical. For me, it is a time to test myself along a varied set of movements, bench included. I will not go out and get a shirt, because I am cheap. Some do. Excellent. Keep lifting, do your roids if that is your schtick. Some need them, some want them, some, like me, are tempted every day to try them. But, my level of aggression and mental instability is high enough withought becoming a testosterone dump. I sweat a lot. Bench shirts would just get smelly.
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11-01-2005, 07:51 PM	#40
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,426	I agree, the belt is a crutch. I do see the point in wearing one if you are in a meet and hitting heavy pr's, just for safety purposes (even though i don't use one). chalk is great for helping secure your grip on the bar and keeping ir from slipping. I don't agree with bench shirts, squat suits etc., either. I don't take away from those guys either. A 1000lb bench press with a shirt still means that guy has an incredibly raw bench press (800lbs, maybe more). And hey, that is 1000 fucking pounds!! Suit or not he still has to hold that shit in his hands, over his chest none the less. Total friggin' props. That is just bad ass IMO.
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11-01-2005, 06:47 PM	#32
Triple Threat ... Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lost Posts: 9,472 Photos: 6	OK, it's a well-known fact that if you use steroids and workout properly and eat properly, you'll gain muscle and strength. But what about PL gear? If you continually bench press using a BP shirt, for example, will you gain size and/or strength?

11-01-2005, 07:03 PM	#34
swordfish Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Oregon Posts: 500	It's not just for adding weight to the bench press, it also is a safety thing. In case a lifter can't make the lift he might tear a pec more easily without a shirt, the shirt can provide the pec not to tear as easily and IF it does, then it keeps it kind of 'confined to an area' if you will.

11-01-2005, 10:35 PM	#44
CowPimp Fueled by Testosterone Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 15,405	Sounds like I share your training morals, so to speak. I don't like straps, shirts/suits, or belts. When it comes to straps, I say if you can't hold it, then you don't deserve to lift it. I'm not going to hold it against you if you use a belt once in a while, but just don't walk around your whole workout with a belt on like a jackass. You don't need a belt to do bicep curls for God's sake. As well, I think chalk is fine. It doesn't artifically add strength in any way, but certainly is great for sweaty hands. Actually, I have never used chalk myself as my hands don't typically get really sweaty (I can't say the same about the rest of me), but I certainly see the point.
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11-01-2005, 11:28 PM	#46
Lee Delroy Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 221	The Raw Bench record is actually 754lbs. It was achieved by a man at my local gym.

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