muscle soreness

alexvega · 11-01-2005, 10:28 AM

hey people how do you interpreting this felling.

The13ig13adWolf · 11-01-2005, 10:30 AM

interpret it??? are you asking if it's a sign of productivity?

alexvega · 11-01-2005, 10:34 AM

yes that word .
may be what do you think about it

The13ig13adWolf · 11-01-2005, 10:35 AM

it happens...however DOMS isn't an indicator of a successful workout.

alexvega · 11-01-2005, 05:57 PM

DOMS
what this means?

soxmuscle · 11-01-2005, 06:02 PM

delayed on-set muscle strain.

Squaggleboggin · 11-01-2005, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle

delayed on-set muscle strain.

Delayed onset muscle soreness, unless I'm mistaken.

ihateschoolmt · 11-01-2005, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Squaggleboggin

Delayed onset muscle soreness, unless I'm mistaken.

Yea, it's soreness.

alexvega · 11-03-2005, 12:42 PM

good people , but its fine to fell it or not?

it s a little unconfortable sore, it s not like other times that you can not touch your muscle, because it hurts alot.
thanks.

The13ig13adWolf · 11-03-2005, 12:43 PM

it's fine.

Clayton Bigsby · 11-03-2005, 03:39 PM

I think soreness is a fairly good sign that you were at the gym. Being at the gym is good for building strength and fitness.

So, in conclusion, soreness is a good thing.

JoeR. · 11-03-2005, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by The13ig13adWolf

it happens...however DOMS isn't an indicator of a successful workout.

ive heard this before, explain to me how it isnt an indicator of a good workout? Just the function of being sore, means your body has taken some slight muscle tissue micro tears right? So explain to me HOW your statement makes sense.

Squaggleboggin · 11-03-2005, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeR.

ive heard this before, explain to me how it isnt an indicator of a good workout? Just the function of being sore, means your body has taken some slight muscle tissue micro tears right? So explain to me HOW your statement makes sense.

It's simple really. You can still have a good workout without getting sore. This means that DOMS is not the only indicator of a good workout (which many people assume). Also, just because you're sore doesn't mean you've actually done anything. Go ahead and bench every single day for a month. You'll probably be pretty sore most of the time, but that doesn't mean that you'll have benefitted in any way. I haven't gotten sore from a workout in months and I continually gain strength.

JoeR. · 11-04-2005, 07:08 PM

Right but being sore IS a sense you when you have a workout, but it doesnt mean that if your not sore you didnt have a meaningful workout.

The bench everyday comment you made is wrong. Yea you are breaking down the tissue but your not giving yourself time to recover. Thats two differnt things, im strickly saying that being sore means you got in a good workout. Not thats the only factor, and not that your going to grow unless you give your body the right conditions.

LAM · 11-04-2005, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeR.

Just the function of being sore, means your body has taken some slight muscle tissue micro tears right?

the soreness general associated from DOMS is more likely attributed to a disturbance in calcium homeostasis than from micro trauma(s) of skeletal tissues

**CowPimp** · 11-04-2005, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by LAM

the soreness general associated from DOMS is more likely attributed to a disturbance in calcium homeostasis than from micro trauma(s) of skeletal tissues

I've never read a conclusive study on the subject. It seems to me that the real cause behind DOMS is still up in the air. Do you have a link to the study, or source, where you read that?

**P-funk** · 11-04-2005, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CowPimp

I've never read a conclusive study on the subject. It seems to me that the real cause behind DOMS is still up in the air. Do you have a link to the study, or source, where you read that?

yea, that is what i thought too. DOMS is still a mystery.

LAM · 11-04-2005, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by CowPimp

I've never read a conclusive study on the subject. It seems to me that the real cause behind DOMS is still up in the air. Do you have a link to the study, or source, where you read that?

you are right there is nothing definitive on the subject of the exact causes of DOMS however there are some very good theory's.

#1. FG fibers fatigue due to depletion of CP and glycogen and/or accumulation of H+. With continued activation, ATP levels fall causing rigor or high stiffness. Subsequent mechanical stretch of stiff fibers breaks desmin

#2. FG fibers fatigue due to depletion of CP and glycogen and/or accumulation of H+. With continued activation, ATP levels fall causing loss of calcium homeostasis. SR and mitochondria both use ATP to sequester Ca++.
Elevated Ca++ level activates calpain proteases which specifically degrade desmin filaments.

if you can find Clarkson and Sayers 1999, McArdle et al 1996 or Chleboun et al 1998, Stauber 1996 there is some good info in them

**CowPimp** · 11-04-2005, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by LAM

you are right there is nothing definitive on the subject of the exact causes of DOMS however there are some very good theory's.

#1. FG fibers fatigue due to depletion of CP and glycogen and/or accumulation of H+. With continued activation, ATP levels fall causing rigor or high stiffness. Subsequent mechanical stretch of stiff fibers breaks desmin

#2. FG fibers fatigue due to depletion of CP and glycogen and/or accumulation of H+. With continued activation, ATP levels fall causing loss of calcium homeostasis. SR and mitochondria both use ATP to sequester Ca++.
Elevated Ca++ level activates calpain proteases which specifically degrade desmin filaments.

if you can find Clarkson and Sayers 1999, McArdle et al 1996 or Chleboun et al 1998, Stauber 1996 there is some good info in them

Interesting. Although isn't degrading or breaking of desmin filaments really just some form of microtrauma?

LAM · 11-05-2005, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by CowPimp

Interesting. Although isn't degrading or breaking of desmin filaments really just some form of microtrauma?

yup...that's why DOMS has to be caused by serveral things. desmin filaments break during every day activities (walking for example) and we don't get DOMS from it

**CowPimp** · 11-05-2005, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by LAM

yup...that's why DOMS has to be caused by serveral things. desmin filaments break during every day activities (walking for example) and we don't get DOMS from it

Good stuff LAM. Thanks for the info.

alexvega · 11-06-2005, 07:24 PM

i went to university
the biochemistry say, the
when a muscle pass from anerobic work to anaerobic, is when the productions of lactic acid happens.
thanks

**CowPimp** · 11-06-2005, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by alexvega

i went to university
the biochemistry say, the
when a muscle pass from anerobic work to anaerobic, is when the productions of lactic acid happens.
thanks

The buildup occurs during a process called lactic acid fermentation. It is a process that allows NADH to be converted to NAD+ via a redox reaction with pryuvate and recycled in glycolysis, which subsequently allows more ATP to be produced via subtrate-level phosphorylation. The end product is something called lactate. Which is actually an ionized for of lactic acid.

alexvega · 11-07-2005, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by CowPimp

The buildup occurs during a process called lactic acid fermentation. It is a process that allows NADH to be converted to NAD+ via a redox reaction with pryuvate and recycled in glycolysis, which subsequently allows more ATP to be produced via subtrate-level phosphorylation. The end product is something called lactate. Which is actually an ionized for of lactic acid.

sure its happens , so the muscle with not enough preparation fall in stress. anarobic.

so your muscle were fatigueded!
thanks

11-01-2005, 10:35 AM	#4
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11-01-2005, 10:28 AM	#1
alexvega simpsom Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: costaRica Posts: 1,153 Photos: 21	muscle soreness hey people how do you interpreting this felling.

11-01-2005, 10:30 AM	#2
The13ig13adWolf IM Ball Buster Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: I win... Posts: 1,367	interpret it??? are you asking if it's a sign of productivity?
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11-01-2005, 10:34 AM	#3
alexvega simpsom Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: costaRica Posts: 1,153 Photos: 21	yes that word . may be what do you think about it

11-01-2005, 05:57 PM	#5
alexvega simpsom Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: costaRica Posts: 1,153 Photos: 21	DOMS what this means?

11-03-2005, 12:42 PM	#9
alexvega simpsom Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: costaRica Posts: 1,153 Photos: 21	good people , but its fine to fell it or not? it s a little unconfortable sore, it s not like other times that you can not touch your muscle, because it hurts alot. thanks.

11-03-2005, 03:39 PM	#11
Clayton Bigsby Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 7	I think soreness is a fairly good sign that you were at the gym. Being at the gym is good for building strength and fitness. So, in conclusion, soreness is a good thing.

11-04-2005, 07:08 PM	#14
JoeR. Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: atl Posts: 455 Photos: 13	Right but being sore IS a sense you when you have a workout, but it doesnt mean that if your not sore you didnt have a meaningful workout. The bench everyday comment you made is wrong. Yea you are breaking down the tissue but your not giving yourself time to recover. Thats two differnt things, im strickly saying that being sore means you got in a good workout. Not thats the only factor, and not that your going to grow unless you give your body the right conditions.

11-06-2005, 07:24 PM	#22
alexvega simpsom Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: costaRica Posts: 1,153 Photos: 21	i went to university the biochemistry say, the when a muscle pass from anerobic work to anaerobic, is when the productions of lactic acid happens. thanks