Shoulder Pain

Tom_B · 11-03-2005, 06:29 PM

I was doing some Military Presses last week, when on my second set I started to get this pain in my left shoulder when I was lowering the BB (no pain when lifting it overhead), I managed to finsih my set, and well being stupid I went for another set .. the pain got really bad and I was forced to stop.
Then about three days afterwards I tried to do some seated side lateral raises .. I only got 2 reps out before droping the weights cause of the pain.
The pains hard to describe .. almost like a 'tearing' type pain.

Anyways I was just wondering what I should do? Stop training shoudler directly for a set amount of time? Start using a lighter weight and build myself back up? Start up some certain stretches? etc.
Any help would be appreciated.

lnvanry · 11-03-2005, 06:31 PM

clearly cut out shoudlers from your routine...your front and side delts get hit pretty hard from your chest day anyway assuming you are not a power lifter.

Tom_B · 11-03-2005, 06:52 PM

Well I don't really do alot for my chest .. all I'm doing is 3 sets of flies and 3 sets of incline BB Press. (my chest grows on basically anything and will overpower the rest of me ..) , so it's not like my shoulders really get alot from that.
I have noticed though for the last month or so all my pressing movements have been sucking ass ..

How long do you think I should cut out shoulder work?

lnvanry · 11-03-2005, 06:57 PM

if you want to be safe...1 month w/out heavy chest presses either

Tough Old Man · 11-03-2005, 07:15 PM

Rotator cuff problems suck, i know as i have a slight tear of the left one. I no longer do anytype of overhead pressing which sucks. Be cafeful as the seem to never heal if it is indeed a cuff problem. My incline bench went down from 390 lbs to 160 lbs beacause of the cuff.

Tough

Tom_B · 11-04-2005, 08:27 AM

Thanks for the advice

I'm gonna get rid of the shoulder work in my routine and replace them with some exercises to help strengthen my rotator cuff
.. really don't want rotator cuff problems at the age of 16

The Monkey Man · 11-04-2005, 08:56 AM

Don't jump to any conclusions!!!

Normally I would suggest you may be underhydrated, or have something missing from your diet...
But I know you run a tight ship in that respect, so...

Is the pain there only during pressing movements???

Is the pain spot specific, as in shoulder only, or does it trail into your
Biceps?, forearms?, back?, wrists?

Do you feel discomfort when doing barbell curls (free standing)?

Do you feel discomfort doing pressing motions for chest?

If you try and stretch your biceps, does this affect the pain?

Analyze your form on presses... Do you bring you shoulders FWD and together?

Do you do your shoulder WO in conjuction with other pressing?
(day before, or day after chest, for example)

How is your working ratio of pulling to pushing exercise volume through
your shoulder joint???

Take 800mg of ibuprofin... Does this aleviate the pain???
If so, then it is simply inflammatory...

Switch you INCL chest pressing to DCLN, concentrate locking the tri's on these and don't roll your shoulders FWD...
try just stopping the pressing motions for shoulders,
but keep up the lateral raises and rear delt work, and see of this helps..

(At least you will be able to do "SOME" shoulder work)

benverner · 11-04-2005, 09:15 AM

Monkey...GOOD POST...holy shit!

I was expecting "just wack off more"

Tom_B · 11-04-2005, 01:47 PM

ya, holy shit! Thanks Monkey for that!
Too answer your questions ..

The pain is there for basically any direct shoulder work (except rear delts), and it's the only time I feel the pain. It dosen't extend anywehre else but rather just concentrated whithin the one spot in my shoulder. I'm able to do Free Standing BB Curls without any problems and when I stretch out my biceps theres no discomfort or pain.

Currently I'm doing a full body routine ~ and on that specific day with the Military press , The only other pressing movement I'm doing is my DB Flies. As for the ratio of the pressing to pulling movments .. 3:6 (including the Military press)
My form on the Military press is basically I'm seated with a straight back, arms shoulder width apart, and I try to keep the bar as close as possible to me / overhead, so I don't think I'm leaning my shoulders forward ..

When should I take the ibuprofin?

And if I switch the incline press to a decline press , would I be able to switch my flies to an incline Flies?

Thanks

The Monkey Man · 11-06-2005, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom_B

ya, holy shit! Thanks Monkey for that!
Too answer your questions ..

The pain is there for basically any direct shoulder work (except rear delts), and it's the only time I feel the pain. It dosen't extend anywehre else but rather just concentrated whithin the one spot in my shoulder. I'm able to do Free Standing BB Curls without any problems and when I stretch out my biceps theres no discomfort or pain.

Currently I'm doing a full body routine ~ and on that specific day with the Military press , The only other pressing movement I'm doing is my DB Flies. As for the ratio of the pressing to pulling movments .. 3:6 (including the Military press)
My form on the Military press is basically I'm seated with a straight back, arms shoulder width apart, and I try to keep the bar as close as possible to me / overhead, so I don't think I'm leaning my shoulders forward ..

When should I take the ibuprofin?

And if I switch the incline press to a decline press , would I be able to switch my flies to an incline Flies?

Thanks

Sorry to not get back quickly...

Take the IB's whenever you feel that pain PWO...

And if you problem is what I think it is...
You should not have any issues with doing fly's of any kind...
(I do not count this as a pressing motion)

Were talking, bench, incline bench, decline bench, militarys, DB's,
Cable pressing or machine presses

And i'm to understand you do 3-pressing to 6-pulling motions through
the shoulder joint range -

... If so, you should be good there

The13ig13adWolf · 11-06-2005, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Monkey Man

Don't jump to any conclusions!!!

Normally I would suggest you may be underhydrated, or have something missing from your diet...
But I know you run a tight ship in that respect, so...

Is the pain there only during pressing movements???

Is the pain spot specific, as in shoulder only, or does it trail into your
Biceps?, forearms?, back?, wrists?

Do you feel discomfort when doing barbell curls (free standing)?

Do you feel discomfort doing pressing motions for chest?

If you try and stretch your biceps, does this affect the pain?

Analyze your form on presses... Do you bring you shoulders FWD and together?

Do you do your shoulder WO in conjuction with other pressing?
(day before, or day after chest, for example)

How is your working ratio of pulling to pushing exercise volume through
your shoulder joint???

Take 800mg of ibuprofin... Does this aleviate the pain???
If so, then it is simply inflammatory...

Switch you INCL chest pressing to DCLN, concentrate locking the tri's on these and don't roll your shoulders FWD...
try just stopping the pressing motions for shoulders,
but keep up the lateral raises and rear delt work, and see of this helps..

(At least you will be able to do "SOME" shoulder work)

nice post.

11-03-2005, 06:29 PM	#1
Tom_B Tom_B Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Amherst, Nova Scotia, Canada Posts: 3,589	Shoulder Pain I was doing some Military Presses last week, when on my second set I started to get this pain in my left shoulder when I was lowering the BB (no pain when lifting it overhead), I managed to finsih my set, and well being stupid I went for another set .. the pain got really bad and I was forced to stop. Then about three days afterwards I tried to do some seated side lateral raises .. I only got 2 reps out before droping the weights cause of the pain. The pains hard to describe .. almost like a 'tearing' type pain. Anyways I was just wondering what I should do? Stop training shoudler directly for a set amount of time? Start using a lighter weight and build myself back up? Start up some certain stretches? etc. Any help would be appreciated.

11-04-2005, 08:56 AM	#7
The Monkey Man Magical Apelikemenace Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Delhi, India Posts: 13,791 Photos: 35	Don't jump to any conclusions!!! Normally I would suggest you may be underhydrated, or have something missing from your diet... But I know you run a tight ship in that respect, so... Is the pain there only during pressing movements??? Is the pain spot specific, as in shoulder only, or does it trail into your Biceps?, forearms?, back?, wrists? Do you feel discomfort when doing barbell curls (free standing)? Do you feel discomfort doing pressing motions for chest? If you try and stretch your biceps, does this affect the pain? Analyze your form on presses... Do you bring you shoulders FWD and together? Do you do your shoulder WO in conjuction with other pressing? (day before, or day after chest, for example) How is your working ratio of pulling to pushing exercise volume through your shoulder joint??? Take 800mg of ibuprofin... Does this aleviate the pain??? If so, then it is simply inflammatory... Switch you INCL chest pressing to DCLN, concentrate locking the tri's on these and don't roll your shoulders FWD... try just stopping the pressing motions for shoulders, but keep up the lateral raises and rear delt work, and see of this helps.. (At least you will be able to do "SOME" shoulder work) Last edited by The Monkey Man : 11-04-2005 at 09:44 AM.
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11-03-2005, 06:31 PM	#2
lnvanry primeau Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Phoenix Posts: 3,105 Photos: 12	clearly cut out shoudlers from your routine...your front and side delts get hit pretty hard from your chest day anyway assuming you are not a power lifter.

11-03-2005, 06:52 PM	#3
Tom_B Tom_B Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Amherst, Nova Scotia, Canada Posts: 3,589	Well I don't really do alot for my chest .. all I'm doing is 3 sets of flies and 3 sets of incline BB Press. (my chest grows on basically anything and will overpower the rest of me ..) , so it's not like my shoulders really get alot from that. I have noticed though for the last month or so all my pressing movements have been sucking ass .. How long do you think I should cut out shoulder work?

11-03-2005, 06:57 PM	#4
lnvanry primeau Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Phoenix Posts: 3,105 Photos: 12	if you want to be safe...1 month w/out heavy chest presses either

11-03-2005, 07:15 PM	#5
Tough Old Man Canine club CEO Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: baja calif, Mexico Posts: 6,933 Photos: 1	Rotator cuff problems suck, i know as i have a slight tear of the left one. I no longer do anytype of overhead pressing which sucks. Be cafeful as the seem to never heal if it is indeed a cuff problem. My incline bench went down from 390 lbs to 160 lbs beacause of the cuff. Tough

11-04-2005, 08:27 AM	#6
Tom_B Tom_B Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Amherst, Nova Scotia, Canada Posts: 3,589	Thanks for the advice I'm gonna get rid of the shoulder work in my routine and replace them with some exercises to help strengthen my rotator cuff .. really don't want rotator cuff problems at the age of 16

11-04-2005, 09:15 AM	#8
benverner Catabolic Idiot Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Baltimore Posts: 151	Monkey...GOOD POST...holy shit! I was expecting "just wack off more"

11-04-2005, 01:47 PM	#9
Tom_B Tom_B Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Amherst, Nova Scotia, Canada Posts: 3,589	ya, holy shit! Thanks Monkey for that! Too answer your questions .. The pain is there for basically any direct shoulder work (except rear delts), and it's the only time I feel the pain. It dosen't extend anywehre else but rather just concentrated whithin the one spot in my shoulder. I'm able to do Free Standing BB Curls without any problems and when I stretch out my biceps theres no discomfort or pain. Currently I'm doing a full body routine ~ and on that specific day with the Military press , The only other pressing movement I'm doing is my DB Flies. As for the ratio of the pressing to pulling movments .. 3:6 (including the Military press) My form on the Military press is basically I'm seated with a straight back, arms shoulder width apart, and I try to keep the bar as close as possible to me / overhead, so I don't think I'm leaning my shoulders forward .. When should I take the ibuprofin? And if I switch the incline press to a decline press , would I be able to switch my flies to an incline Flies? Thanks