Shrugs.... front or back

Hlanderr · 11-13-2005, 02:19 PM

How do you do shrugs?

I have a tough time trying to "feel" the exercise in my traps, and I often feel it in my delts and arms.... but recently I have been doing them behind the back.... it feels GREAT..... but is this as effective as in the front? Cause I never really see people doing it behind the back.

I've read how people do both..... does that imply a difference? What do you do?

min0 lee · 11-13-2005, 02:23 PM

I've tried them a few times but never enough to really give a review, It does feel like it's hitting another area of the traps.

This is also the way Lee Haney did his shrugs.

TJ Cline · 11-13-2005, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

I've tried them a few times but never enough to really give a review, It does feel like it's hitting another area of the traps.

This is also the way Lee Haney did his shrugs.

kenwood · 11-13-2005, 02:29 PM

i do them in front and it seems to do nothing...i've did them behind a few times they were great...i dunno why but what really makes my traps sore are skullcrushers and i dunno why

min0 lee · 11-13-2005, 02:29 PM

WOW, I never raised them that high... maybe I placed my hands too close together.

min0 lee · 11-13-2005, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kenwood

i do them in front and it seems to do nothing...i've did them behind a few times they were great...i dunno why but what really makes my traps sore are skullcrushers and i dunno why

How is that, you must be doing something wrong.
On skullcrushers the only part you move is from the elbows down to your hands.Your upper arm remains immobile.

min0 lee · 11-13-2005, 02:32 PM

dougnukem · 11-13-2005, 02:35 PM

I do shrugs with dumbbells so I can't say. I've tried barbell, but don't like running the barbell across my nuts every rep

and behind the back feels uncomfortable for my lower back for some reason.

kenwood · 11-13-2005, 02:35 PM

ooops shit...my traps don't get sore from skullcrusher my abs do i still dunno why my abs do unless i flex them when i'm doing them which i do...my traps never get sore or anything unless i do shrugs behind my back

Hlanderr · 11-13-2005, 02:41 PM

ill give dumbells a shot next time

maybe ill also try the wide grip shrugs.... looks kinda interesting

Hlanderr · 11-13-2005, 02:42 PM

ill give dumbells a shot next time

maybe ill also try the wide grip shrugs.... looks kinda interesting....

Nate K · 11-13-2005, 02:46 PM

I normally do front shrugs. I tried some back ones today and slightly strained my right trap. You have to really focus on the trap muscle like you might with crunches and abs. In the picture I think Lee is just un-racking the weight, not doing a rep.

min0 lee · 11-13-2005, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Nate K

I normally do front shrugs. I tried some back ones today and slightly strained my right trap. You have to really focus on the trap muscle like you might with crunches and abs. In the picture I think Lee is just un-racking the weight, not doing a rep.

You may have a point there.

TJ Cline · 11-13-2005, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by dougnukem

I do shrugs with dumbbells so I can't say. I've tried barbell, but don't like running the barbell across my nuts every rep

and behind the back feels uncomfortable for my lower back for some reason.

Thats exactly why I use barbells

min0 lee · 11-13-2005, 03:42 PM

Thank goodness I don't have that boy problem.

AKIRA · 11-14-2005, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Nate K

I normally do front shrugs. I tried some back ones today and slightly strained my right trap. You have to really focus on the trap muscle like you might with crunches and abs. In the picture I think Lee is just un-racking the weight, not doing a rep.

Sprained the right trap? I did something liek that once. I was either going too heavy or I turned my head slightly during the lift. I never feel shit from a front shrug. Gotta be from the back, afterall, thats where the muscle lies.

Back shrugs, DB shrugs, shrug machines

In that picture it doesnt look like Lee is doing shrugs at all. SInce when do you bend your elbows during a shrug?

lnvanry · 11-14-2005, 08:49 PM

I injured my left trap...not I cannot do heavy shrugs w/ BB or DB...heavy trap bar deads and upright rows...sometimes bent-over 45degree BB rows.

min0 lee · 11-14-2005, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by lnvanry

I injured my left trap...not I cannot do heavy shrugs w/ BB or DB...heavy trap bar deads and upright rows...sometimes bent-over 45degree BB rows.

Is it permanate and how did you injure.

BigDyl · 11-14-2005, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

These are being done incorrectly. You should bring the bar further back and lower.

Nate K · 11-14-2005, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by AKIRA

Sprained the right trap? I did something liek that once. I was either going too heavy or I turned my head slightly during the lift. I never feel shit from a front shrug. Gotta be from the back, afterall, thats where the muscle lies.

Back shrugs, DB shrugs, shrug machines

In that picture it doesnt look like Lee is doing shrugs at all. SInce when do you bend your elbows during a shrug?

Bull shit they have to be from the back. I like front way more than back. "Gotta be from the back, afterall, thats where the muscle lies." That makes no sense. So I should always do Pulldowns behind the neck because thats closerto where the muscle lies. It depends on if the person has the control to put the stress on the muscle being focused on. Personally I think its better to do the movement that is more natural. In this case it means with the bar in front of you.

AKIRA · 11-15-2005, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Nate K

Bull shit they have to be from the back. I like front way more than back. "Gotta be from the back, afterall, thats where the muscle lies." That makes no sense. So I should always do Pulldowns behind the neck because thats closerto where the muscle lies. It depends on if the person has the control to put the stress on the muscle being focused on. Personally I think its better to do the movement that is more natural. In this case it means with the bar in front of you.

Youre tradezius runs from your middle back to your upper back. Some of it is on top of your shoulders. So youll get some stimulation, but not as much as from the back.

But if you like it from the front, then do it. But the muscle is where it is.

Sorry.

DOMS · 11-15-2005, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BigDyl

These are being done incorrectly. You should bring the bar further back and lower.

They're called "skull crushers" because you bring them down to your forehead where, if you drop it, you end up breaking your skull (in theory). What you are talking about is a variation.

DOMS · 11-15-2005, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by AKIRA

Youre tradezius runs from your middle back to your upper back. Some of it is on top of your shoulders. So youll get some stimulation, but not as much as from the back.

But if you like it from the front, then do it. But the muscle is where it is.

Sorry.

So what you're saying is that you like it from behind?

Nate K · 11-15-2005, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by AKIRA

Youre tradezius runs from your middle back to your upper back. Some of it is on top of your shoulders. So youll get some stimulation, but not as much as from the back.

But if you like it from the front, then do it. But the muscle is where it is.

Sorry.

I know where the traPezius is. Just because the muscle is there doesn't mean that holding the barbell behind you will better hit it. It will just put you in an uncomfortable position.
Im not sure what you are sorry about.

TJ Cline · 11-15-2005, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BigDyl

These are being done incorrectly. You should bring the bar further back and lower.

I disagree.

Hlanderr · 11-15-2005, 08:55 PM

interesting..... for some reason i didnt really think of it that way.....

i think what he is trying to get across man is that behind the back hits the muscles in the most direct way, where in the front maybe the delts come into more of a factor?

one of the main reasons why I started to to them behind the back is because i was feeling my delts and arms do the work..... then doing it behind the back i feel it workin much better

Hlanderr · 11-15-2005, 08:57 PM

but if in the front works for you and its really uncomfortble behind the back, then it really shouldnt be a big difference

i havnt seen anyone do them behind the back from my gym......

Hlanderr · 11-15-2005, 08:59 PM

as to the tricep lift i bring it towards the top of my head..... if its over my face i tend to start to feel it in my delts.... like im puhsing the weight up....

but not behind my head at all usually

its an isolation exercise, so the elbows must stay still.... to go behind your head you have to move them........ that incorporates you chest, delts, and even lats..... that would be a crazy isolation exercise

11-13-2005, 02:19 PM	#1
Hlanderr Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 774	Shrugs.... front or back How do you do shrugs? I have a tough time trying to "feel" the exercise in my traps, and I often feel it in my delts and arms.... but recently I have been doing them behind the back.... it feels GREAT..... but is this as effective as in the front? Cause I never really see people doing it behind the back. I've read how people do both..... does that imply a difference? What do you do?
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11-13-2005, 02:23 PM	#2
min0 lee Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: The Bronx, NYC Posts: 33,780 Blog Entries: 3 Photos: 542	I've tried them a few times but never enough to really give a review, It does feel like it's hitting another area of the traps. This is also the way Lee Haney did his shrugs.
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11-13-2005, 02:29 PM	#5
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11-13-2005, 02:41 PM	#10
Hlanderr Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 774	ill give dumbells a shot next time maybe ill also try the wide grip shrugs.... looks kinda interesting
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11-13-2005, 02:29 PM	#4
kenwood Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 4,878 Photos: 1	i do them in front and it seems to do nothing...i've did them behind a few times they were great...i dunno why but what really makes my traps sore are skullcrushers and i dunno why

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dougnukem The American Dream Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Fort Walton Beach, FL Posts: 1,802 Photos: 6	I do shrugs with dumbbells so I can't say. I've tried barbell, but don't like running the barbell across my nuts every rep and behind the back feels uncomfortable for my lower back for some reason.

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Hlanderr Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 774	ill give dumbells a shot next time maybe ill also try the wide grip shrugs.... looks kinda interesting....
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11-13-2005, 02:46 PM	#12
Nate K Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,679 Photos: 3	I normally do front shrugs. I tried some back ones today and slightly strained my right trap. You have to really focus on the trap muscle like you might with crunches and abs. In the picture I think Lee is just un-racking the weight, not doing a rep.

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11-14-2005, 08:49 PM	#17
lnvanry primeau Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Phoenix Posts: 3,105 Photos: 12	I injured my left trap...not I cannot do heavy shrugs w/ BB or DB...heavy trap bar deads and upright rows...sometimes bent-over 45degree BB rows.

11-15-2005, 08:55 PM	#26
Hlanderr Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 774	interesting..... for some reason i didnt really think of it that way..... i think what he is trying to get across man is that behind the back hits the muscles in the most direct way, where in the front maybe the delts come into more of a factor? one of the main reasons why I started to to them behind the back is because i was feeling my delts and arms do the work..... then doing it behind the back i feel it workin much better
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11-15-2005, 08:57 PM	#27
Hlanderr Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 774	but if in the front works for you and its really uncomfortble behind the back, then it really shouldnt be a big difference i havnt seen anyone do them behind the back from my gym......
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11-15-2005, 08:59 PM	#28
Hlanderr Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 774	as to the tricep lift i bring it towards the top of my head..... if its over my face i tend to start to feel it in my delts.... like im puhsing the weight up.... but not behind my head at all usually its an isolation exercise, so the elbows must stay still.... to go behind your head you have to move them........ that incorporates you chest, delts, and even lats..... that would be a crazy isolation exercise
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