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    OK, I give up, whats the deal with RAW training?

    Ive done a search on here and even a google search.

    Basically, I wanna know how doing a bench press without a shirt (i assume its any shirt) reduces max. What exactly does wearing a shirt do for someone?

    Oh it doesnt stop there...oh no it doesnt.

    Do straps around knees increase squat strength too?

    Honestly, I dont see the need for either one to be tested, but Id still like an explanation.
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    The shirts are basically so tight that the lifter's arms are stuck out in front of him. This means that it takes a lot of force to push the arms back toward the body. So, for a bench press, X amount of the bar's weight is used in just pushing the shirt back towards the bencher, meaning the bencher has a much easier job. It still requires very strong triceps, and the guys putting up record amounts are no slouches, but it still taints it IMO. Knee wraps are the same idea - they're so tight that it makes it difficult to bend the legs, so the bar's weight is somewhat used up by just allowing the lifter to bend his legs, which is also what a squat suit does, unless I'm mistaken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Squaggleboggin
    The shirts are basically so tight that the lifter's arms are stuck out in front of him. This means that it takes a lot of force to push the arms back toward the body. So, for a bench press, X amount of the bar's weight is used in just pushing the shirt back towards the bencher, meaning the bencher has a much easier job. It still requires very strong triceps, and the guys putting up record amounts are no slouches, but it still taints it IMO. Knee wraps are the same idea - they're so tight that it makes it difficult to bend the legs, so the bar's weight is somewhat used up by just allowing the lifter to bend his legs, which is also what a squat suit does, unless I'm mistaken.

    Ok, wait, I know about these "bench shirts," but i thought we were talking about regular shirts.

    Meaning a fruit of the loom undershirt, a wife beater, a miller lite t-shirt. Does these render strength?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Squaggleboggin
    The shirts are basically so tight that the lifter's arms are stuck out in front of him. This means that it takes a lot of force to push the arms back toward the body. So, for a bench press, X amount of the bar's weight is used in just pushing the shirt back towards the bencher, meaning the bencher has a much easier job. It still requires very strong triceps, and the guys putting up record amounts are no slouches, but it still taints it IMO. Knee wraps are the same idea - they're so tight that it makes it difficult to bend the legs, so the bar's weight is somewhat used up by just allowing the lifter to bend his legs, which is also what a squat suit does, unless I'm mistaken.
    although its also argued that wraps, suits, shirts are used for injury prevention, once the poundages get heavy enough you gotta watch all the connective tissue and such around the joints. i'm sure there are lots of strong guys out their that wouldn't/won't be able to reach their full strength potential due to injuries from all the pounding you do to your joints(speaking strictly PL here).

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    Ok, wait, I know about these "bench shirts," but i thought we were talking about regular shirts.

    Meaning a fruit of the loom undershirt, a wife beater, a miller lite t-shirt. Does these render strength?
    benching shirted means your benching with a bench shirt...
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    By the way, Ive seen one guy ever wear one of those shirts. He looked dumb as shit wearing it and it took him and his friend a hell of a time taking it off. I thought it was mostly for safety when I saw it. ( ialready know it is for safety too)
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    Quote Originally Posted by AKIRA
    Ok, wait, I know about these "bench shirts," but i thought we were talking about regular shirts.

    Meaning a fruit of the loom undershirt, a wife beater, a miller lite t-shirt. Does these render strength?
    That should have zero bearing on strength.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AKIRA
    By the way, Ive seen one guy ever wear one of those shirts. He looked dumb as shit wearing it and it took him and his friend a hell of a time taking it off. I thought it was mostly for safety when I saw it. ( ialready know it is for safety too)
    Getting it on is worse.

    T shirts dont compare to a bench shirt, and Underoos dont compare to power pants. We are talking powerlifting clothes, definitely not off the shelf clothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudge
    Getting it on is worse.

    T shirts dont compare to a bench shirt, and Underoos dont compare to power pants. We are talking powerlifting clothes, definitely not off the shelf clothing.

    Ohh I see. Jesus, that makes me feel a lot better. Here I was thinking that my max is not truly my max cuz i have A shirt on. Its been mentioned so much on here, that I thought it was more popular than it seemed.

    What would u guys think about a person who just wore these bench shirts just to lift more rather than lifting heavy to avoid potential injury?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AKIRA
    What would u guys think about a person who just wore these bench shirts just to lift more rather than lifting heavy to avoid potential injury?
    That's why everyone uses them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKIRA
    Here I was thinking that my max is not truly my max cuz i have A shirt on.
    Whatever happened to common sense?

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